Obama not reinstating AWB

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If you go to the Whitehouse.gov website, and click on agenda, and then click on urban policy, you will see that Obama still wants to reinstate the AWB.

I just did and sorry but I dont see it, leafed through it.



Here is the link to the Whitehouse website page that discusses Obama's commitment to the AWB. Check out the last sentence. There has been no change in his policy:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

Crime and Law Enforcement
Support Local Law Enforcement: President Obama and Vice President Biden are committed to fully funding the COPS program to put 50,000 police officers on the street and help address police brutality and accountability issues in local communities. Obama and Biden also support efforts to encourage young people to enter the law enforcement profession, so that our local police departments are not understaffed because of a dearth of qualified applicants.
Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Supports: America is facing an incarceration and post-incarceration crisis in urban communities. Obama and Biden will create a prison-to-work incentive program, modeled on the successful Welfare-to-Work Partnership, and work to reform correctional systems to break down barriers for ex-offenders to find employment.
End the Dangerous Cycle of Youth Violence: Obama and Biden support innovative local programs, like the CeaseFire program in Chicago, which implement a community-based strategy to prevent youth violence and have been proven effective.
Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
 
This is a pretty bold piece when you consider it. The president's spokesperson had to publicly dodge an issue that 10 years ago would have resulted in a no-brainer response. I'd say that we're doing quite well. Let's keep the pressure up until we get an affirmative statement out of these people.
 
Maybe spending time in London helped convince someone high up that taking away all these gun-things isn't such a great idea and that London kinda sucks.

Either way, I hope he's serious. More cops, enforcing existing laws, isn't that something EVERYONE can agree with? Remember, though they're exceedingly rare, a crooked FFL does so much harm to our image via supplying weapons illegally to whoever.

I just hope it's not B.S.
 
This is a pretty bold piece when you consider it. The president's spokesperson had to publicly dodge an issue that 10 years ago would have resulted in a no-brainer response. I'd say that we're doing quite well. Let's keep the pressure up until we get an affirmative statement out of these people.


Amen! One thing that we have now which is much more prevalent than back when the original awb, is that we all have email access. People are far more likely to send an email that to write a letter and mail it. And it's being used with fairly good succes.
 
Here's what I expect Obama to do: he's not going to push it YET, but he's going to start pushing anti-gun propaganda and lies, until it gets to the point where the sheeple will DEMAND a ban. It worked in England and several other countries.
 
BHO does not need to push the AWB. Pelosi will do it for him and he'll sign it. Count on it.
 
The climate is not right for any anti-gun legislation right now and they know it.

Look at Bobby Rush's AWB, Bill HR45. Over three months now, sitting in committee, and not a single co-sponsor. I find it amazing that even the hard core anti-gun politicians don't want to mention it, or put their name on it. That's the first anti-gun bill I can recall that didn't get at least 50 co-sponsors right out of the gate.

They barely passed the AWB in '94, and the anti-gun climate was more favorable back then. If they hadn't amended it with the sunset clause it probably wouldn't have passed. And other than magazine capacity it was just a ban on import and manufacture of certain cosmetics, you couldn't have more than two 'evil' cosmetic items on a rifle.

"....the gun and magazine ban had little practical value, and it was all symbolism and cosmetics. I didn't have the votes to do anything more. If it were up to me I would tell Mr. and Mrs. America to turn them in—turn them all in." --Senator Dianne Feinstein


Even after VaTech there wasn't a big movement to ban anything. McCarthy was extremely happy that the NRA had worked with Legislators to improve State reporting of mental health issues to the Federal database. She didn't seem confident that even that would have passed without the NRA's endorsement.

And with their current free membership offering the NRA is now getting a big boost in membership. They will have an even larger block of voters standing behind them, and significant influence on Congress.

To a politician getting re-elected is job one.... everything else is secondary.
 
Bear in mind that his alternate solution may not be better than a gun ban.

Nancy Pelosi is recently on record stating that a ban is not the objective. The new objective will be registration and keeping guns from crossing state lines.

Imagine the NFA expanded to include military style semi-autos. That is what I expect they are shooting for. You can still have your AR, but it will need to be registered and you must pay a $200 tax. That would have a chilling effect on AR sales, yet they would be completely legal.
 
No "ban" is needed.

You can far more effectively tax, rather than legislate, a right out of existence.

What do you want to bet that the business about no longer selling used military brass to commercial reloaders wasn't, in part, a test baloon to see how closely people watch what actions the government takes regarding any aspect of RKBA, and how prompt and vocal the opposition is.

Even if it wasn't, I can promise you that sometime soon anti-gun elements in power will try to slip some "baby step" measures into place, just to see if anyone on this side of the issue's been lulled into complacency by the Hellish :barf: decision.
 
Hopefully news like this may alleviate the panic everyone has been going through.

Maybe that's the point. The easiest way to get Americans to stop buying so many guns right now is to announce that there is no threat to their ability to do so.

Remember a month ago when Helmke said "you shouldn't be buying as many guns as possible right now", and we all agreed to disagree with him?
 
Don't be fooled. An AWB is on the agenda and will be addressed as soon the economy appears (not the wording) to have stablized. IF they start pushing this now, when they can't put their full attention & resources to it, it would fail and would be even tougher to resurrect.
This is just a diversion! Don't be fooled!
 
Here's one for you and he wasn't trying to sell me a rifle either. I'll be happy if it doesn't come true.

A gun store owner I know was told by a large government/police supplier that he has recently seen a dramatic increase in AR (etc.) purchases for personal use by alphabet agency employees.

It's like they know something is coming. This increase is in addition to the run on guns we've all been seeing.

Rumor has it that the President will issue an executive order concerning the sale of AR-style rifles in order to give himself and Congress 60 to 90(?) days to work on legislation.

Take it for what it's worth. This didn't come from some old grouchy guy sitting behind the counter in his dusty old shop dreaming up conspiracy theories. It was told to me in a I-can't-quite-believe-it-but-the-guy-is-connected-so-let's-see-what-happens tone of voice.

And no, I've never seen a UFO or bigfoot. ;)

John
 
IMO, there's a couple of real nuggets in these posts.

First, an observation: Many of these politicians are lawyers--and as such, they have been trained (better-trained than many of us non-lawyers) in the use of logic in our language. So, with careful parsing of their words, the President and his henchmen (Rahm et.al.) can state that there is no (new or reinstated) AWB in the wings. So far, I have seen little lying from our national leaders about this topic--but plenty of disingenous statements.

Secondly, as the impact of Heller comes into play (the new DC registration rules / laws, and the larger incorporation discussion) the new thrust of antigun legislation clearly must be for more onerous requirements for legal guns.

So--and back to the point at hand:

1. New antigun legislation will be for onerous registration and access to AWs--remember, that an 'Assault Weapon" is a political term, not one of the firearms standard lexicon.

2. That registration will include invasive personal qualifications for mental health, (domestic) violence, and the like.

3. It will not come until the water-carriers--safe antigun politicians, ABC, The Brady Bumch, the mass media/mass murders--generate the foment needed for political demonstration of "populist" will.
The ABC programs are designed to generate new talking points: for the uniformed general voter, they concretely demonstrate "the gunshow loophole." For the selective / hunter shooter, they reinforce ASHA tenants. All of these points are designed to peel away support for conservative 2nd Amendment positions.

Another AWB isn't going to happen--but far more sophisticated legislation will be proposed. HR45 sits there as a diversion, IMO. It's a stalking horse that helps placate the gun-hater wing of the Party.

Getting in front of this kind of agenda is difficult, as rbernie suggests. With the NRA being the only big "mouthpiece" our side has--although the SSA might be helpful--it's hard to generate a set of talking points for the general public to respond to. For the moment, the only one I see as possibly fruitful is the Examiner Blogs that are cropping up--largely progun.

Ideas for putting together a national attempt at building a positive perspective by pro-gun forces probably belong in activism. For the moment, we--the progun forces--are riding only on twenty-plus years of 'conservative' thought about smaller government, and that was largely dissipated by the previous Republican administration.


Jim H.
 
As the Vietnam war raged through the 1960s, the first premier of China, Chou En-lai, was asked about the historical effects of the 1789 French Revolution on that country. His considered reply: "Too soon to tell."
 
I believe Obama is NOT lying

How can you tell a politician is lying?

Their mouth is open.

Sorry but in over a half century of living I can count the number of politicians who didn't lie on one hand, maybe.

They've just gotten a little smarter and the weak minded are buying the emperors new clothes.

Madison avenue and marketing is alive and well in the politican business. You know the same group that sells overpriced items by tagging them with tactical, spec ops and urban camo to the gullable.
 
I think the fearmongering started by a few people to make a buck needs to settle down. It's pretty rediculous. People didn't start panicing in the 90s until just before the AWB was signed into law. Even then you could find all the ammo and guns you wanted.

On reinforcing existing laws it always concerns me when people see that as a good idea.

You would be surprised what's on the books in this country if you had to obey every law.

In some states you would no longer be allowed to use anything but ball or softpoint ammunition for home defense. frangible ammuntion would be illegal to use for home defense.

Just one rarely enforced law among many.

There are a lot of laws that aren't actively enforced.
 
I agree with Lone_Gunman in post #38. Their most effective tactic they could try right now without raising the ire of people who own no semi-automatic weapons (such as bolt action rifles or shotguns, typically for hunting use), especially given the large amount of gun purchases since the end of 2008, is to tax the hell out of the system. Increased revenue in a market? Tax, tax, tax! Regulate, regulate, regulate!

Don't want to buy a gun anyway? No harm to you! (Same apathy used in the heavy taxation of cigarettes)

Want to buy a gun? OK great! Register your 20" bbl semi-automatic Bushmaster, etc, under the current rules for machine guns, and pay the extra taxes. Want to sell your gun? Rinse and repeat.

I don't know how they'll try to infringe upon ownership of semi-automatic handguns. They don't meet the nebulous definition of "military style assault weapon," and have been used in more than one of the mass murders in the last few years. Might be they'll just try register anything semi-automatic, regardless of magazine capacity and to include rimfire. Semi-automatic handgun registration as an NFA item might also be a way to decrease the percentage of concealed carry licenses applied for and/or issued. States might prohibit carrying such "restricted" weapons concealed. It'd be like carrying a silencer.

They have no way to ban (and destroy) magazines of a certain capacity without causing extreme fuss. Easier for them to restrict manufacture and future sales, artificially inflating the market for magazines over X rounds. There are enough state laws against such that they don't need to double up to be effective, really.

It's easy to figure these things out. Just pretend you're a politician responsible for two things: 1) getting re-elected and 2) perpetuating the government. Government requires tax revenue to function. What way can I generate new revenue and still get votes? What way can I regulate (and in doing so grow the function of government) without prohibiting the activity altogether?

jm
 
There won't be any registration. It's too expensive and a logistical nightmare.

It'll be paid for by increased taxes on registration, or it'll serve the behind-the-scenes purpose of drying up demand for the activity through punitive taxation. They can make the law and then underfund the approval process.

jm
 
If anyone thinks politicians are not seeking to take away our guns in some way or another they are very much mistaken.

I believe this 100% and hope that I can look back 8 years from now and say I was wrong - but I don't expect to be able to do so. :mad:

Luke
 
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