Obrez!

[Panzerschwein]

I think I will make this my winter project guys. I'm researching ways of getting a trust, it seems complicated. I am a bit concerned using the NRA easy trust thing. Is it really legit? An obrez is one of my "dream guns", I just think they look so cool and I already have the gun, tons of ammo, and most importantly... a dream.

 

[Swing]

I'm researching ways of getting a trust, it seems complicated.

Setting up mine was a piece of cake and it cost very little because there is a law group here that handles NFA trusts. I'd imagine something similar is a available in the Sunflower State. Granted, unless your CLEO won't sign off, one doesn't need a trust; it just makes things a lot easier and one can use eForms. Don't give up on your dream gun. Since I've gone NFA, there is no looking back. There are a lot of very fun items that can be had after a tax stamp is obtained.

P.S. I don't reckon I'll ever make an Obrez, but I sure as heck would like to shoot one a few times if given the chance. The fireballs and recoil from my Super Shorty are something else. I'm thinking a chopped Mosin might not be too different.

 

[kanook]

Cooldill I think I will make this my winter project guys. I'm researching ways of getting a trust, it seems complicated. I am a bit concerned using the NRA easy trust thing. Is it really legit? An obrez is one of my "dream guns", I just think they look so cool and I already have the gun, tons of ammo, and most importantly... a dream.

http://www.mokanguntrusts.com/

I have no idea who these lawyers are. Give them a call/email and tell them what you want. It's that easy.

My Trust went as follows, Found local NFA Lawyer, sent email, received a 10 question reply that was answered in about 5 mins, received packet in mail 3 days later, 10 mins to fill out packet, I chose to have them be my Notary so 5 days later I am in their office signing papers. Done.

 

[yugorpk]

Oh, if it is going to be an SBR, then have at it. I guess I should have realized that from the start.

The lead NFA trust examiner spoke at a continuing legal education class a few years ago. He said that they were fine with trusts and did not have an agenda to prosecute folks who have transferred on invalid trusts.

Whether or not a trust is valid is a question of the law of the state in which it was drafted. This guy said they had something like seven or nine full-time attorneys that did nothing but review trusts and make sure they conform to the law of the state from which they originated.

He seem to be particularly concerned about The terms of the trust not being followed after the death of the grantor. He was concerned that trustees and or remainder beneficiaries would simply see a proper transfer is a nuisance and a waste of time. He seemed worried that people would take the position that a gun is a gun and either make an illegal transfer to a remainder beneficiary, or simply sell the NFA item in the newspaper. He more or less said people would be going to jail in that instance.

I think it is very important that everyone involved in the trust really understand how important the rules are, and that they understand how the trust works.

I will fully educate my wife and heirs in the NFA requirements pursuant to my NFA trust. I will teach them what to do with my trust guns and silencers in the off chance that I die at some point in my life . I have no doubt in my mind that my wife will still sell them all at a garage sale.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Yeah. Maybe i am overreacting, but I don't know that there is a retail sale requirement to trigger a stop import on LPS ball ammo. I believe that there only have to be pistols out there firing the round. There will probably be some person who will be all to happy to point out the existence of these pistols being in existence to the ATF generally. That is why NFA trusts are going to be regulated away, people not leaving well enough alone and pointing out gray areas to the bureau. It is like an accountant finding a new tax shelter and asking for an IRS opinion beforehand. I have more than a few Finnish Mosin Nagants. I think the idea of having an Obrez is appealing. The idea of having a red-headed girlfriend 10 years younger than me is also appealing, but is not a good pursuit for a married man. Particularly given the current Administration, I think the pursuit of a novelty at the hazard of an LPS ban is rather selfish.

I believe the Law Enforcement Officer Protection Act covers projectiles "which may be used in a handgun." SS-109 is specifically exempt, that is why the attempted ban due to ar-15 handguns being out there would likely have been found illegal. Not the case with LPS in 7.62x54r or 7.62x39. The only thing that keeps steel 54r coming in is the absence of handguns. The law, as far as I can read it, does not require that the pistol be sold, just that it be out there.

Please refrain from spreading FUD. As others have pointed out a short barreled rifle is not a handgun and all kinds of SBRS have been made in just about every rifle caliber imaginable.

This also sounds likes a bit like the tired "guvmint" excuses people come up for not owning NFA firearms.

Mike

 

[390ish]

If you read any of the thread, you would see that I noted my error. If made from cut receivers, not so much an SBR. Wish you and your successor trustee the best of luck treating NFA residuary beneficiary transfer rules as optional.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

If you read any of the thread, you would see that I noted my error. If made from cut receivers, not so much an SBR.

Actually I read the whole thread. I've never heard of anyone assembling a Mosin–Nagant from a cut receiver (the OP certainly is not). Also a .30 cal handgun would not be an NFA weapon as long as it had a rifled barrel.

Wish you and your successor trustee the best of luck treating NFA residuary beneficiary transfer rules as optional.

No idea what you are talking about here??? A residuary beneficiary is the beneficiary who receives all trust property not specifically gifted to others. The NFA applies to all NFA weapons regardless of how they are liquidated. I don't see how this applies to anything I have written in this thread or any other. I have certainly never said that "rules" (laws?) are optional.

Mike

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Shooting the Obrez.

It is my understanding that whenever possible the Obrez was fired with reduced charge loads which were produced by the "gunsmith" producing the Obrez by pulling bullets, halfing the powder charge and reseating the bullet. Full rifle charge loads are brutal in 7.62x54R. Not quite mild like a .44-40 Mare's Leg.

And the Obrez (¿Obrezes?) in the museums are often a lot shorter and worse finished than the photo posted in this thread.

They were widely used in the 1917 Revolution, and later appeared in WWII used by guerillas. They were always a common criminal weapon of availibility. They got a colorful history.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Ah! My black horse and the steel obrez.

Old Cossack song:

The bullet flew, got in my chest.
I went out into the steppe on my horse.
A Commissar hit me with a sword.
I staggered and fell off my horse.

Ah! My black horse and the steel obrez
Ah! Hoary mists and the father-commander.

I came home from the war with lead in my chest.
Tied my horse. Sat down beside my wife.
Barely an hour - came the Commissar.
Took my horse, took my wife.

Ah! My black horse and the steel obrez.
Ah! Hoary mists and the father-commander.

I took down from the wall, an icon of the Savior. Hidden under shirt.
Set fire to my home. Cocked obrez to fight.
To live under the Soviets? To sell my cross?
A lot of people like me, went into the woods.

Ah! My black horse and the steel obrez.
Ah! Hoary mists and the father-commander.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGz2077RKNA

I'd build one in a minute if I were Russian.

Mike