Observations re: Sig 938

[ewlyon]

Love the 938, one of my favorite guns which has resulted in it probably being my most carried pistol. Accurate enough to ring steel at 65yds offhand even with my limited ability, always reliable, soft-recoil, and small enough to conceal very easily.

I have noticed that if you hold down the mag release as you remove a loaded magazine, then the rounds stay in the mag. But if you just press the mag release and then strip the mag out then you will lose a round.

 

[Bo]

"I have a P938 and absolutely love it. It doesn't bother me to carry locked and cocked."

+1. I love my 938. The safety is stiff enough to not cause me concern about accidentally wiping it off, but easy to deselect. My only complaint is the tip of the trigger likes to abrade my finger. If anyone has a cure for that, please PM me. Thanks.

Due to surgery on my right hand, my trigger finger rests on the bottom of the trigger, yes, it is irritating.

I installed a flat trigger, did the same with all my 1911's, problem solved.

 

[Doublehelix]

I started thinking about those that say that they don't feel comfortable with a cocked and locked gun...

I get those that say they worry about having to think about activating a safety in a crisis situation. That makes total sense. But the safety aspect of Condition 1 got me to thinking how this setup is really any different than a striker-fired pistol when it is "cocked".

Maybe I am crazy, and I am certainly no gunsmith, but with a striker-fired pistol, the striker is in the backward position, and can only go forward by pulling the trigger.

With a hammer-fired pistol, the hammer is in the backward position and can only go forward by pulling the trigger.

Is there really that much difference?

With the P938, 1911s and most other SAO hammer-fired guns, they add an additional thumb safety to the mix. Isn't that even safer than a striker-fired pistol without a safety?

I figure there must be something I am missing about gun operation and gun safety because I hear this all the time about Condition 1 carry being unsafe.

Is there worry that the hammer will get snagged on something? What is the difference and what is the concern about one vs. the other?

 

[LoneGoose]

Doublehelix, a striker-fired pistol's trigger pull will draw the striker even further back before releasing it. That makes for a heavier, longer trigger pull. Between that and the little trigger safety lever (on many guns), the idea is that you have to intentionally pull the trigger all the way through to fire the gun. On a single-action gun, the hammer is caught on the trigger sear and a short, lighter pull will release it. Without an additional safety (thumb and/or grip) it would be easier to bump the trigger and fire the gun unintentionally. Many people prefer the feel and control of that short trigger pull of a single-action. I practice at the range using the thumb safety, so I believe that in an emergency muscle memory will get me through the motions. Range time with both types of gun will help you see the difference.

 

[Gary A]

But, LoneGoose, is it not the case that many recent designs of popular striker-fired pistols essentially fully cock the striker upon going into battery? A Glock is somewhere around 60% pre-cocked but the M&P, the Springfield, the Ruger American, the LC9s, certainly the now-infamous Sig P320 and, I'm sure, others are 98-100% pre-cocked relying on passive internal safeties making Doublehelix's question and concern somewhat more apt.

 

[PabloJ]

That tiny safety could cost me my limb or life if I really needed gun in stress-filled situation. No thanks.

 

[LoneGoose]

My information must be hopelessly outdated. Learn something new every day. Mea culpa.

 

[Gary A]

No fault. Most of us are here learning something new every day. I know I am.

 

[bassjam]

I started thinking about those that say that they don't feel comfortable with a cocked and locked gun...

I get those that say they worry about having to think about activating a safety in a crisis situation. That makes total sense. But the safety aspect of Condition 1 got me to thinking how this setup is really any different than a striker-fired pistol when it is "cocked".

Maybe I am crazy, and I am certainly no gunsmith, but with a striker-fired pistol, the striker is in the backward position, and can only go forward by pulling the trigger.

With a hammer-fired pistol, the hammer is in the backward position and can only go forward by pulling the trigger.

Is there really that much difference?

With the P938, 1911s and most other SAO hammer-fired guns, they add an additional thumb safety to the mix. Isn't that even safer than a striker-fired pistol without a safety?

I figure there must be something I am missing about gun operation and gun safety because I hear this all the time about Condition 1 carry being unsafe.

Is there worry that the hammer will get snagged on something? What is the difference and what is the concern about one vs. the other?

I think the difference is with a SA gun you can see the hammer pulled back, and that makes some people uneasy. On the other hand you cannot see the striker, so it's easier to feel secure in your ignorant bliss!

 

[paulsj]

It is not inability of seeing striker under tension but ability to fire shot w/o manipulating tiny levers. If one wants super safe handgun there are used PSP or P7M8s out there.

 

[Doublehelix]

It is not inability of seeing striker under tension but ability to fire shot w/o manipulating tiny levers. If one wants super safe handgun there are used PSP or P7M8s out there.

I did say in that post that I understand those that are not comfortable with the safety. But a lot of folks feel that "cocked and locked" is just an inherently less safe way to carry a loaded pistol. I was just trying to figure why that is since it seems very similar to carrying a cocked striker-fired pistol.

 

[Plan2Live]

Doublehelix, a striker-fired pistol's trigger pull will draw the striker even further back before releasing it. That makes for a heavier, longer trigger pull. Between that and the little trigger safety lever (on many guns), the idea is that you have to intentionally pull the trigger all the way through to fire the gun. On a single-action gun, the hammer is caught on the trigger sear and a short, lighter pull will release it.

According to Sig's website the 938 has a 7.5 pound trigger pull. According to Glock's website the G26 has a 5.5 pound trigger pull.

With that said, I would still like to see the 938 offered in a DA/SA configuration or at least DAO.

 

[Demi-human]

I love my nine thirty eight. I share carry time with it and my other thirty eight, a Smith Air weight.

 

[Gary A]

According to Sig's website the 938 has a 7.5 pound trigger pull.

I don't own a 938 but do own a couple 238s and the trigger pull feels like every bit of that.

 

[bassjam]

According to Sig's website the 938 has a 7.5 pound trigger pull. According to Glock's website the G26 has a 5.5 pound trigger pull.

With that said, I would still like to see the 938 offered in a DA/SA configuration or at least DAO.

I know the P938's trigger pull is heavy for a single action, but I still prefer it's crisp release over a striker fired's spongy trigger, even if it is lighter.

 

[Plan2Live]

I wasn't voicing a preference, I was merely posting the specs for anyone weighing one against the other. I'm giving the 938 serious consideration myself. It is smaller and lighter than my current carry gun but I'm still not 100% sold on carrying cocked & locked. I prefer DA/SA on a carry gun. Comparing the 938 to my current carry gun I would be giving up one round and 1/2 inch of barrel but would also be losing approximately 13 ounces. I was thinking I could overcome the 1/2 barrel issue (assuming it even is an issue) by installing a threaded barrel. Still mulling it all over.

 

[omega5]

Yup, me too. I do have to admit that I hate loading these mags by hand as well.

One weird thing about this gun is that when you eject the mag, one round always comes out the top of the mag when you eject it. This is not including the round that is in battery. Whenever I pop the mag in this gun, I always end up with 2 rounds that have to reloaded into the mag, and it is not the easiest task in the world, that is for sure.

Same here. My Kahr PM9 and CM9 does it too. Irritating, but a minor annoyance. I'm old school and
carried a 1911 for years on the job. If I had my wish, the 938 would have the grip safety too. Just to
satisfy my 1911 needs.

 

[dirtman]

When I carry small, it’s my 938 and I can forget it’s there iwb. But I am not as accurate with the 938 as my colt officers 45 acp or my cz pcr...
938 7-15 yds ok, colt and pcr 20-30 yds no problem....