Obtaining a Class A License in MA –Why Subjects have NO Rights!!!!

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Did you mean If he does deny you the permit, you can take legal action?

My suggestion would to be to look for a loophole so to speak in the wording of the language of the laws concerning issuance of the permit. My state is a shall issue state. I know this probably won't help in you exact situation . But if I don't receive my permit with in 90 days( I beleive) from the time I submitted my application and that I pass all required background checks, the state has to by law issue me my permit.

If this doesn't happen then I have some legal ground to stand on. Like I said I don't know if MA has such an item like that. But it would be worth your wild to find out if you haven't done so already.

...Dave
 
well, don't be a jerk to them, you won't win. If you are going to be upset with them be polite.

They feel that they are superior, so you try to outmuscle them in the righteous department, they will just crank up the confrontational bit.

I suggest something along the lines of "Would you please stop acting in such a harrassing manner?"

It's a really lodaed phrase. If they insist they aren't, just say that they seem to be implying that you are a criminal and that you are planning to murder someone. SOmething that if a newspaper printed would be considered libel. SOmething along those lines.

Put them in a position where they have to say they are the bad guys or shut up about it.
 
Well, that's pretty bad, but i think it is better than CA because you can actually buy ARs and AKs, you just need a license.
 
I know, I have to play the polite bit. I have to use my tactics of persuasion to win them over. You brought up a lot of good points about slander and such, I mean it is more than a bit insulting to go apply for a legal license and to then be drilled by the officer if I wish to go out and kill people....just a bit.

I will say that I would except more professional treatment from law enforcement officers. To hear cops also use profanity in order to emphasize my criminal liabilities is equally disheartening. I expected better from veteran peace officers.


However, I hope to foil their plans by going with the "I need it for my job" bit. Luckily I have my interview with AMSA on Monday so I can hopefully get a letter in writing from them explaining to the chief why I need my class A to carry. I would tell them that if they wanted me for the job they would have to write such a letter. IF chiefy boy starts giving me a hard time, I can just whip out the letter. Presto, license to carry!

Let's see what unfolds....
 
Blaine: What city is this?

The reason I ask is that it would give me an indicator on where never to go. :p

If you move to New Hampshire, you can get a non-resident LTC from the state police and avoid the middle man with the chief. :p
 
*****UPDATE*****


Well I went in today to get my finger print done. I didn't know what to expect if I was going to get an interview with the chief or what.

As soon as I got there, an officer directed me toward the backroom where he took a print of my index finger on two blank Class A forms. He then told me that I was all set.

So I then asked him how long until my license comes in, he said that they would call me when it comes in.


Now, I am not sure what this all means. Am I approved? Do they wait and approve me latter? Could they deny me by never sending it in and not telling me about it?

I suppose I shall wait and see. If after a month I still hear no word, I will call them asking what the deal is. I hope I have been approved....I suppose that only time will tell.
 
Blain- I too am in MA, however, i have had my class A since it went from being just permit to carry to all those other silly classifications requiring different levels to own certain guns. I am curious if you approach it with, I want to buy a relatives gun which is capable of accepting high capacity magazines- this requires the Class A license, I already had most of mine when I moved to MA from RI- which I believe has far worse gun laws than MA, at least we can get the license here.

As for all lawful purposes, yes, i would recommend you stick to trying to get that one, but keep this in your back pocket and dont use it- there is a court ruling which basically says- a permit to carry is a permit to carry, so those little qualifying reasons they stick on it wont hold up in court, but if you got caught carrying by an anti gun cop during something like a traffic stop, you're going to have a problem, one that will only be cleared up through litigation.

I am a lawyer, and of course have other lawyer friends, and one just happens to specialize in carry permit challenges.
So, wait it out, see what happens, give it 6 weeks.
My renewal turn around time took like 6 weeks, i imagine a new permit will take about as long, a buddy of mine has been waiting 1 month as of today.

If you have problems, send me a message.
 
Thanks for the info, man, I appreciate the help! So a class A gives you the ability to carry no matter what the reason says on the license itself? Cool.
 
but keep this in your back pocket and dont use it- there is a court ruling which basically says- a permit to carry is a permit to carry, so those little qualifying reasons they stick on it wont hold up in court, but if you got caught carrying by an anti gun cop during something like a traffic stop, you're going to have a problem, one that will only be cleared up through litigation.
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Are you sure?

Please review the following section:

Massachusetts General Laws

Paragraph A part ii seems quite clear to me.
 
nothing in that law is ever clear. I'll get in touch with my friend who litigates this stuff, and try to get you the case cite.
 
Blain, they should have told you about your legal recourse in your class.

If you are denied a permit, you have 30 (90?) days to appeal the decision in a court of law. The permit must be denied. A court will not hear your appeal if you are complaining about the reason for issuance.

Owen (MA ex-pat)
 
My sympathies to our 2nd Amendment brothers and sisters in the People's Republic of Mass.

I know we often have to live in states where we don't wish to, or didn't realize the anti-gun bias of a state we moved into.

But I swear before God I will never reside in a state that isn't 'shall issue.'

Virginia is pretty gun-friendly, but they do have some dumb ??? laws, like the one that says you can't carry concealed in a restaurant that serves alcohol. The semi-reasonable side of me can almost understand no guns in bars, but no guns in Fridays? Give me a break!
 
Fellow Comrads!

Yep, the PRM has struck again.

Blain, what town are you applying in? How old are you?

Your chances are better the older and further away from Boston you are. As far as the specifics of the town, you basically have to spin the wheel to see how much of a hassle it will be to get "All Lawful Purposes".

Some towns may only provide hunting/target only until you re-apply 4 years hence without having shot anyone. Getting a connected attorney familiar w/ LTC's may help you.

One thing that helped me is that I read "In the Gravest Extreme" by Ayoob or somebody. It explains (generally) what happens after the bullets stop flying and the smoke clears. After reading this I was able to 'correctly' answer any questions posed to me. However, I did not go through the BS you did. I live in N. Andover and did not get an ALP LTC, but I did get the Class A High capacity.

Lastly, stay and fight! Read and learn. Obey the current rules and work to get them changed. Join GOAL, NRA and a gun club.
Be active and VOTE!!! Write your reps! I write about 20+ letters a year to local, state and federal elected officials. If you are not willing to be part of the solution, then you are part of the problem - in this case the problem is not enough MA residents are making a big enough stink! The MA commies have one foot in the door. The time to slam it shut is now!

...sorry, I went off on a rant!
 
Blain, as a fellow Massachusetts resident I respectfully ask you to take a deep breath for the next 45 days. The licensing procedure winds its way through Federal, state, county and local approvals. All of which depend on the licensing officer of your home town. If he sent it in it will be approved. It will take 45 days. Don't call him after 30 days. Believe me! The best way to derail this process is to get all bent out of shape about how fast it takes. He will intervene and you will be judged too much of a hot head to carry. He is testing you. That is the way the process works. To be honest you come across in your posts as too fired up. Slow down, calm down. You will have this permit for the rest of your life. He wanted to see how pissed off you get when challenged. He will assume that you drive the same way. How are you going to handle the jerk who cuts you off in the mall parking lot at Christmas? Grit your teeth and park elsewhere. The cop wants to see if you are the type to pull your carry in a parking lot.
 
Shermacman:

"You will have this permit for the rest of your life."

If only that were true. They expire in 4 years. Unlike the FID for $2.00 which is good for life! :mad:
 
Yes, true but the renewal is automatic. The townies know that GOAL will sue and win for a permit denied with out reason. Look, I know this is a pain in the neck, I also know how to read the Constitution. I recognize the absurdity of begging a town cop for a God given right. But I also recognize that we need to organize, vote and fight for these rights. We have let our God given Constitutional rights be trampled on. And that means choosing our battles. Barking Constitutional law to a town cop is a sure-fire loss.
 
Shermacman....

waddaya mean the renewal is automatic ?? Mine is coming up for expiration in Aug and I applied for the renewal already. Was told 6-8 weeks. I had to fill out 4 pages of info, exactly the same as my original request only this time I checked the renewal box and put my current license number instead of checking the new application box. After filling out the 4 pages, with required references, employer, sworn statement about sanity, criminal past etc and specifying my mother's maiden name, I was then fingerprinted (11 fingers - index finger twice !) again, photoed again and sent on my way.

There ain't nuttin automatic about it.
 
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In Hingham you go in, say Hi to the licensing officer, they re-photograph you, they ask you to swear that you have been a good boy and the new permit comes before the old one expires. It took me the same 45 days as my first. Did they run the CORI record on you again?
 
****UPDATE****

For anyone who's interested, In the town of Wayland I just got my rejection letter as expected. This proves beyond all doubt the lieutenant is an elitist jerk, only giving Class A's to rich middle-aged guys. Tomorow I will file an appeal in the district court. Hopefully my logical argument plus a reasonable judge will grant me victory. More to follow....
 
Obey the current rules
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.....how about.....NO!


shermacman, if I shouldn't call them about the license after 30 days, how many days should I wait to call them about it? What if nothing happens after 45 days or 60?

I have heard that it takes the class As longer to get back to you now with all the layoffs happening around the state. I believe a gun dealer told me that one guy waited 3 months or so for his license!
 
BLAIN-i have to apologize- the info I mentioned about the court case that said a carry permit was a carry permit, is old law which is over ruled by the wording in chapter 180.

However if you do get denied, or you know anyone else who does get denied, and wishes to appeal, i can refer you to my friend who litigates these.
 
I would appreciate that, Matt. I'll let you know how it tuns out.
 
Update/Conclusion.....The End????

Well today I got a call saying that my class A was in! I couldn't believe it, only a week after I turned it in I got it back! Since it usually takes a month or more, this was quite a pleasant surprise. Anyway, I went to pick up the card, when I recieved the card I took a look to see what the "reason" would state.....


It said "Sport and Target".............


I never put that as my reason for having the card, they changed it on me! Now I can not carry concealed.....oh well. I suppose it could be worse. I could not have the card at all, as many in this state don't. I suppose I should count my blessings for that. Besides, I leave this state in two years anyway, so I suppose it isn't that important. I also suppose I can still carry and just plan not to get caught.

Also, a new police chief is coming in to replace the old one. He may be more pro gun so maybe I could "upgrade" it.
 
Instead of using "All Lawful Purposes"

Write "To fufill my Second Amendment Obligations" per the Constitution, as you are in the Militia.
Nawww, he would probably just say "What's that?"...
 
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