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Odd observations from handing out flyers for college campus shooting range (UTRPC)

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As mentioned before, several THR members coach/shoot at the UT Rifle and Pistol Club, the on-campus range at UT Austin.

Been handing out lots of flyers advertising the club, easily over 1000 since September. Noticed a few interesting trends:

1) The people most receptive to flyers can be surprising, not at all the cohesive block of white frat-boys that some would expect. Plenty of the jocky guys have no interest in the range, and I get a lot of *rolls eyes* "I already know how to shoot" from the South Texas types.

2) About 40% of flyer accepters are women, though some of that may be my targeting too. First time visitors are around 20-25% female, dues-paying members about 30% female. The gender balance continues to improve as the club continues, as word-of-mouth is a major factor with female visitors.

3) Huge trend: ten people in a row will turn down flyers, then one will take one, and then 10 of the next 15 people will take one. There's probably a better marketing term for this, but I call this the "Wedding Ring" effect. They see that someone else really likes you (takes flyer and looks interested), so they figure that the flyer must be pretty fascinating. This is also why I target groups, because if one person in the group is interested, it often spills over to the others.

4) You get some rather interesting pockets of positive and negative:
-- Gay/Lesbian student groups: often very positive response
-- Indian exchange students in Engineering: single most reliable positive response
-- Hipster or videogamer Asian-American undergrads: second most reliable positive response.
-- Long-haired/pierced/dreadlocked hippie type are evenly split between "oh cool!" and "no thanks." Almost all the people who actually hassled me for recruiting were the tastefully-dressed professional types, not the hippies.
-- Single consistently worst reaction: the Free Palestine table that recruits on campus. Man, real hostility there, even if it's staffed by people I've never approached before. In fairness, I did myself no favors with them today: THEM: "we don't believe in guns" ME: "How ironic!"


Just a few observations. I know there are a good number of other campus gun clubs on THR, so would be glad to hear other observations/suggestions.

Take care,

-MV
 
"Indian exchange students in Engineering: single most reliable positive response"
Interesting. Kinda figured engineering folk would be high on the list - after all, they make 'em.

The Injuns are coming! The Injuns are coming! Circle the Suburbans!

Sorry. It had to be said. :D
 
I would think that any Sikh students would be especially interested. Have you had any show interest?
 
Indians actually have a strong worrior mythos and history with firearms. Not all of them are Ghandi.

Still though, I'm sure he is still popular with Indians. NEF should capitalize on this with the Ghandi-Rifle. An easy to use single shot with scenes from Ghandi's life carved into the stock.
 
India is considered part of Asia

I posted on our board at work about a local indoor range opening.

The first person to ask me about it was a female engineer from India that I am working with, her and her other friends are going to go and take lessons when available.

One of the male engineers from China was the second person to ask me about the range.

Of course us regulars are trying to get a day set up for all of us to go to the range, pretty diverse group... we all work in engineering.
 
Actually...

I have a friend from India and they are required to get a permit to even have a BB gun, but yet for those who can afford them and the permit guns are quite popular.
 
I asked a coworker in IT about it, he said not only does india have a proud warrior tradition, but also a facination with firearms especially fancy enfields and all, during british occupation some of the finest arms available were sold and owned to british in india, mostly native indians could not own them, but often saw them as facinating and they were always something desired, but forbidden. at least that's hi take on it
 
Engineers as a rule tend to gravitate towards firearms a little bit. Most of the engineering students I know that have tried it always want to go again. Most of the engineers I worked with on co-op were either avid shooters or not. Not a whole lot of in between.
 
Indians actually have a strong worrior mythos and history with firearms. Not all of them are Ghandi.

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." Mahatma Gandhi, from his autobiography

He was more of a Gunfer than you think.
 
Yep, engineers really seem to disproportionately like guns for white collar city dwellers. Part of it seems to the a fascination with all things mechanical, the other part is that engineers as a whole are much more conservative and self reliant than the college educated bunch in general.

As for South/East Asians and Indians, a lot of it has to do with the forbidden nature of firearms back in the home countries.

That or we're more likely to have a need for compensating. :uhoh:
 
I've personally noticed that exchange students - or, at least, students who were not brought up in the public education system* of America - are much, MUCH more receptive to firearms use: they do not seem to have been as heavily politicized against guns in their youth as our youth here in America have been. I've met or known people originally from Japan, China, India, Ethiopia, Kurdistan, and Pakistan - none of them Muslims, I should note - who were quite interested in firearms. It's either been because it was something formerly denyed to them, the result of seeing what firearms can do in resisting an oppressor (Kurdistan, Ethiopia), or some combination of the two.

Heck, I even saw a British guy at the local Scheel's last night looking for a Schrade knife (he'd lost his while visiting), and then he moseyed over to take a look at the guns. He didn't own any at home, but thought they were really neat.

It's only Westerners who are so crazily anti-gun. The rest of the world has a pretty pragmatic attitude about such things.
 
It's only Westerners who are so crazily anti-gun. The rest of the world has a pretty pragmatic attitude about such things.

I guess that's why it's so easy to own a private firearm in the "rest" of the world. :confused:
 
Pragmatic doesn't equal activist.

Pragmatist Foreigner - "Guns aren't bad, but my dad, and his dad, and his dad weren't allowed to have one."

Foreigner's anti-gun Government - "You can't have one either."

PF - "Okay then."

FG - "Here, have some welfare."

As for engineers, think of guns as "machines that also do complex physics" and the allure becomes obvious.
 
I get a lot of *rolls eyes* "I already know how to shoot" from the South Texas types.

South Texas types? :confused: Is that a slur?

:rolleyes: I already know how to shoot, but if'n I was in college I'd surely join a gun club there.

Thanks for doing your part, Mr. Vanitas.
 
IRT Indians and guns: I've asked a few of the regulars if they had any reason, and the most consistent answer I've gotten is "because we don't get to shoot them in India." Had one or two practicing Sikhs come in, but there aren't a ton of them on campus compared to other South Asian cultural groups.


Had four Chinese exchange students come in today, and one girl went right to the one-hand Bullseye style and was doing great. Turns out that she shot on an airgun team back in China, but was having real fun moving up to a .22LR.


I brought in some cheap balloons today, made up some balloon-shooting games. Was pondering trying some airgun game this semester, akin to the "Mini-Sniping" with toy soldiers. Toy soldiers would bother some folks though, to say nothing of shooting Cowboy and Indian plastic toys. Thought maybe "Airgun Safari", but then some folks would be displeased at shooting plastic giraffes and rhinos. Then it struck me: "Dinosaur Safari"! I think it's safe to say that anyone objecting to that would be laughed off. Just need to buy some cheap plastic dinos, figure out a safe way to set them up to be knocked down, set it up as an intramural fun match with airguns...

-MV
 
as an engineering student (who loves guns) i can verify almost everyone i go to school with likes guns. they may not shoot as a hobby, or even own any guns. but every damn one ive ever talked to thinks they are interesting and fun.

i could see 100% of them taking a flyer about a shooting range on our campus. which we have, but its reserved for ROTC and the police academy here. i wish they would let other students of the university in, its indoor, im in NE ohio, its been in the single digits lately with the windchill. not even the general public, id even let them put some fee in with my tuition and give me some access card that only I can get in. wishful thinking though. we do have a marksmanship class offered as an elective. i dont need any more damn electives, but ill probably take it anyway.
 
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