Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Of All Modern Produced Civi Available Handguns Which Would You Trust......

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by cslinger, Oct 30, 2007.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. cslinger

    cslinger Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    4,435
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Of all modern pistols, revolvers (handguns) which would you trust to be in working shooting condition after say 150 years. Assume the weapon was stored with a modicum of care but not stored with the intent of making it an airtight capsule. You know your basic oiled heavily, placed in a plastic box or oil rags etc. and left in the basement, attic, safe or cabinet. Lets assume we are talking production guns as of this year.

    Just musing.

    Chris
     
  2. Jorg Nysgerrig

    Jorg Nysgerrig Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2006
    Messages:
    7,823
    Just about any of them. Except a Glock.

    If they are stored properly, what do you think is going to happen to them in the next 150 years that would render them unusable?
     
  3. lamazza

    lamazza Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,081
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Glock or S&W revolver.
     
  4. cslinger

    cslinger Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    4,435
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    I am thinking rust, small part degradation etc. I am really just bored and thinking about what it would be like for somebody to find a Glock 17 200 years from now vs. say a Ruger GP100.

    Chris
     
  5. Geronimo45

    Geronimo45 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2006
    Messages:
    3,345
    Location:
    Phoenix, Arizona
    I'd probably opt for an automatic. I think it'd be hell to get cosmoline out of the inner workings of a wheelgun. :D
    I guess I'd take a SA 1911. A single-action trigger has less crevices for that dratted cosmoline to creep. DA triggers, though I love 'em, add an extra helping of complexity. As for Glocks - I have no idea. I don't think storage for a hundred-plus years in cosmoline would ruin 'em, but we have no data on the subject. We've had steel-framed autos surviving fine.
    Steel has many natural enemies (most of which can be ixnay-ed with a liberal coating of grease), while polymer is more like Superman. The stuff that ruins steel doesn't seem to phase it, but it crumbles when exposed to kryptonite. Steel guns don't care about kryptonite. I couldn't say if the ingredients in cosmoline would turn the plastic to something resembling rubber or no, or if long-term storage in hot places would do it.
     
  6. Chuhhuniban

    Chuhhuniban Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2007
    Messages:
    138
    Location:
    Arizona
    On the basis of simplicity and quality of materials, something along the lines of a Ruger Vaquero or a reissue Colt SAA. I have seen a M1911 (not an A1), however, that was placed in an attic sometime after WWI here in Arizona, found in the 1980s when the house was demolished - the magazine was loaded (Condition 3 when found). After a very, very brief inspection and a little oil on the barrel hood, bushing and cocking ramp, the weapon fired (the old ammo) without a problem. Since that was fifty or sixty years, it was a decent test of your thesis.
     
  7. MrTuffPaws

    MrTuffPaws Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2004
    Messages:
    1,511
    Location:
    Az
    Any of them from the popular manufactures. Almost all designs these days are proven.
     
  8. CWL

    CWL Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    6,505
    Colt 1911. There are enough early ones still working after almost 100 years... Seems like a modern copy using modern steels, lubes and protectants could easily last 150 years.
     
  9. Mannlicher

    Mannlicher Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    3,430
    Location:
    North Central Florida and Miami Florida
    any older Smith or Colt revolver.
     
  10. modifiedbrowning

    modifiedbrowning Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    2,193
    Location:
    Bozeman, MT
    Walther P99.
     
  11. U.S.SFC_RET

    U.S.SFC_RET Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2005
    Messages:
    1,740
    Location:
    The Old Dominion State
    To me there is only one modern pistol out there the venerable M1911 milspec pistol. I trust it with my life. When that thumb safety is up and I mean up I know it is loaded when I look at it. From a couple of angles and from afar. Nothing beats a .45 1911. John moses Browning knew what he was doing even when the federal government wanted that thumb safety on there. No plastic guns for me. No 9mm, no nothing. I shoot those things like nobody's business. The one gun that come close is the XD and that is if there were no other decent 1911s left on earth.
     
  12. Neo-Luddite

    Neo-Luddite Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2006
    Messages:
    2,982
    Location:
    Northwest IL--the other 'Downstate'
    Really, almost anything made of steel or stainless if stored with minimum care.
    A S&W revolver or well-made 1911. Stash extra critical parts--parts do wear out. Store stocks apart from the gun.

    A better question--what brand of ammo will make the 150 year journey and still fire? THAT is a hard one.
     
  13. jamz

    jamz Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2003
    Messages:
    1,771
    Location:
    I'm a maniac, maniac at your door
    Any decent metal gun. I don't know how the polymers would stand up after 100 years, but metallurgy has been around a while.
     
  14. geekWithA.45

    geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2003
    Messages:
    9,040
    Location:
    SouthEast PA
    I would think that with reasonable but casual storage, your most vulnerable parts would be the springs. Therefore, I'd look for whatever design had the fewest springs in it, or alternately, whatever design had the springset that would be easiest to fabricate with hand tools.
     
  15. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    23,648
    Location:
    Los Anchorage
    A stainless ruger revolver.
     
  16. The Annoyed Man

    The Annoyed Man Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2007
    Messages:
    596
    Location:
    Grapevine, Texas
    Why not just remove the springs and store them along with the pistol, with no tension on them? I would think that, properly protected from the elements, a 150 year old spring without tension on it would work as well as new when put back in the gun.
     
  17. czbegenner

    czbegenner Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    284
    Location:
    Shreveport La
    I would trust my 357 security six ruger, my 40.cal Glock, and my 870 rem.

    Oh also my k-9 trained police dog.
     
  18. Jorg Nysgerrig

    Jorg Nysgerrig Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2006
    Messages:
    7,823
    You trust your dog to be "working shooting condition after say 150 years"? :confused:
     
  19. JesseL

    JesseL Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2004
    Messages:
    2,492
    Location:
    Prescott, AZ
    Nailed it.

    I inherited a Colt 1862 Pocket Police 38 Rimfire conversion (145 years old?) that is still in 100% working order, though 38 rimfire cartridges are rarer than hen's teeth these days.

    I've also got a Luger P08 and a Colt M1911, both from 1917 (90 years old), that are still working perfectly.
     
  20. evan price

    evan price Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2005
    Messages:
    5,476
    Location:
    http://www.ohioccw.org/ Ohio's best CCW resour
    Ruger GP100 stainless revolver. Give it a squirt of Mobil One synthetic engine oil, wrap it in some oily rags, put it behind the drywall in your attic and let you great-great-grandkids find it someday.
     
  21. czbegenner

    czbegenner Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    284
    Location:
    Shreveport La
    HA,ha,ha. ok that was a joke.just the weapons,also got a bolt anchor(highpoint 9mm)
     
  22. amper

    amper Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    Messages:
    89
    Location:
    New Jersey, US
    That is, if it doesn't burn down the house with spontaneous combustion first...
     
  23. Hokkmike

    Hokkmike Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2006
    Messages:
    2,201
    Location:
    Sullivan County PA
    Any decently made revolver. S&W, Ruger, Colt, etc.
     
  24. RPCVYemen

    RPCVYemen Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,937
    What happens to springs over time? If untensioned, will they retain their "spring"?

    Am I write in thinking that the major destructive force wrt polymers is UV radiation? I think that I read that the Egyptian mummification process used polymers, and inside a pyramid, they have lasted millennial.

    Mike
     
  25. Slamfire

    Slamfire Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2006
    Messages:
    7,528
    Location:
    Alabama
    What's to break? Nothing. I would not trust thermoplastic framed stuff, but anything steel, just have to clean out the oil. That stuff will evaporate and turn into a sludge.

    What wears a firearm out is use. Stress/strain, metal fatique. All that stuff.

    I have an 130 year old Mauser M71/84 to prove that. No use, no wear.

    Sunlight, heat, and oil, is bad for polymers. As for mummies, the process was to keep the meat from being ate up by bacteria. They used salt to dry out the guy, wrapped him up, poured resin, and stuffed them in a hot dry environment. And now that they are unwrapped and in museums, those mummies are falling apart.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page