"Off-brand" handgun that's been really good for you

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As to off-brand or less known brands being lower quality, when Willi Korth started out with the 20 series, he had to sell them dirt-cheap after a police contract got cancelled and he was competing in the civilian market against established companies like Colt and S&W. It took a long time until his guns became known in the U.S.

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And here is yet another. I guess more people will be able to identify the grips by the KN on it, than the gun itself. It is an Erma ESP85A, the improved version of the Erma 85 that shoots along a Hammerli International and has a trigger and balance that make it shine at the firing range. What I like about the Erma ESP85A is that it is a well engineered gun, that is easy to field strip, trouble free and durable.

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My super Comanche single shot 410/45 colt. Has two chokes for each cartridge. It’s ugly and rough around the edges but it’s fun to shoot.
 
I don't know if it's considered an off-brand, but my little Kel Tec P32 has been an excellent gun for me. It has eaten all different brands of ammunition without a single hiccup.
I find that I often find myself putting in my pocket, when going out, though I have a number of other more powerful options. I just seem to trust it more and am able to conceal it easily.
 
I bought a Tri-Star L120 that is a Turkish made CZ75 clone. It is an excellent pistol that has proven reliable and is a pleasure to shoot. The Turks have good modern factories and produce good quality firearms from what I have read meeting ISO9000 standards. Magazines for the CZ75 work perfectly as do other CZ aftermarket accessories.
 
I’ve got a Tisas, ZIG 1911 that I got used for $250. I saw at least one other poster in this thread mentioning the same gun. They’re certainly not very popular. I’d never heard of one until I found mine on a local online add. Figured for the money why not?

Mine is not parkerized, seems to be a spray on epoxy type finish. It’s wearing a little near the muzzle and trigger guard some but I don’t care. It’s eaten every type of factory ammo and hand load I’ve tried in it, including some of my own not so great attempts at cast bullets. The only reason it plays second fiddle to my Glock 22 as a defensive gun is mag capacity.
 
When we bought our property in '04 I decided I need some sort of utility revolver to deal with rattlesnakes and other nefarious critters that live out here. So I found this Rossi 68 for a little over $100.

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It's lived much of it's life bouncing around under the seat of one of my pickups covered with and filled with dust and dirt. I cleaned it up a few years ago and now keep it on a shelf in my reloading room. Well, last weekend the wife and I decided to shoot some of our .38 Specials, so I grabbed the Rossi, which I hadn't fired in years. I'd forgotten what an accurate little revolver the Rossi is. We fired all but two of the .38 handloads, so I told the wife I was going to try for the 16" gong hanging next to my 100 yd. target stand. I used the first load to determine holdover, then fired the second-



ETA- @Tallball you are so right about the SAR B6P, only I still have mine! ;)

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FEG SMC-380...a .380 ACP Walther PPK/s knock off.

It worked more reliably, and shot more accurately, than my Interarms Manhurin Walther PPK/s did... so I sent the "brand name" PPK/s packing and kept the no-name FEG. :thumbup:

(This is a target shot for one of the monthly challenges from a while back)
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I had one of those. They shoot like a laser. Would have kept it but for the nasty slide bite I used to get. It had a beautiful blues finish.
 
Canik C100. Great reliable shooter. CZ75 clone.
EAA Windicator 2" 357 built like a tank and is a good shooter. Too heavy for carry duty.
 
Bersa Thunder 380. Bought it used in 2008, after a 18-year gun hiatus. I don't think I'd even heard of them before, but I was wanting something like the PPK/S I'd had long prior. I can't say enough good about this gun.

As I have said elsewhere on THR, my CC is a Bersa Thunder 380. Digests any ammo I've run through it, has no issue with $22 Mec Gar magazines and puts them in appropriate places on the target.

Looks like a PPK. PPK was designed in Germany.
Bersa was made in Argentina.
Couldn't be any truth to the rumor of a bunch of Germans in the late 40's emigrating to South America, right?
 
I have some nice S&W's and Sigs and Colts and so forth that are great handguns, totally reliable, and really good shooters. That's not surprising.

Occasionally I'll buy a cheap or little-known or much-disparaged handgun just because it was such a good deal... kind of a gamble and/or a lark. Some of them were junk and a waste of money, albeit not much money. A few of them have turned out to be good solid shooters.

Maybe you've had similar experiences?


I don't think that Tanfoglio, RIA, or Charter Arms count as "off-brand" for a lot of shooters these days, but here are some less common ones:


I bought a Rossi 38 snub in 1990 or so, and it was a lemon. I heard plenty of bad things about them, and decided they weren't for me. Then I ran across this little five-shot 44 special Rossi revolver. I decided to take a chance. My goodness it's a terrific shooter. The trigger is excellent. I shoot it very well (by my standards). Everyone who shoots it likes it. It's one of my favorite handguns. I wasn't surprised to find out later that this particular model, the 720, has something of a cult following.

This is a true story: I celebrated my Irish heritage too thoroughly late on a Saint Patrick's Day night, and had a bizarre dream that I'd bought a pink handgun online. In the morning I discovered that it was no dream. I'd ordered a pink polymer CZ75 compact copy made by a Turkish company called SAR. (It was $239 or something like that.) After I picked it up at my LGS a few days later, I took it to the range. It shot very well for me, fit my hand well, was accurate, etc. I really liked it. I took it to the range a few more times and enjoyed it very much. Then "tragedy" struck: my friend at the LGS offered to trade me something I really wanted (a 629, IIRC) if the SAR was part of the deal. I went through with it, but soon afterwards found a similar price on a stainless version of the same SAR and bought it. It shoots just as nicely as the first one.

I read a post or something about Miroku revolvers from Japan and apparently remembered the positive statements. I ran across a nice-looking Miroku on GB a few weeks later and "risked" a bid of... $170-something. I won the revolver, and it's a nice one. It's the size of a S&W K-frame and looks a lot like one, though the cylinder unlocks like a Colt. The trigger is great and it's a very good shooter. It seems very well made. My friend tells me that Japanese LEO's used to be armed with them. It's one of the best 2" snubs I've ever shot.


A few years back a lot of the surplus places were selling Star Super B's for a little over $200. I'd read about Stars, but had never handled or fired one. I read that they were like a 9mm 1911, but with no grip safety and locked up like a Browning Hi Power. What the heck, I rolled the dice. It sure did look and feel well-made. It had barely been shot before. I took it to the range with my FiL, who is a tough sell, and we both liked it a lot. It's a heavy steel pistol that's accurate and has very little recoil. My FiL liked it so much that he ordered one for himself within a day or two. His turned out to be unfired! The recoil is so mild that it's the first 9mm pistol my daughter ever wanted to shoot. She was maybe 11 or something. She shot it, laughed, and said that the recoil was "Lame Dad, really lame. I thought 9mm would jump or something." :)


When I was young and didn't know anything (other than that I knew EVERYTHING) I bought a copy of the Browning Hi Power that was made in Hungary by a company known as FEG. I've had that pistol since 1988 or so, and it's still a good shooter. Eventually FEG went out of business. About five or six years ago a lot of the surplus places were selling little 32acp FEG pistols that were more or less copies of the Walther PP. They were a little over $200. What the heck, my other FEG was a good one. Wow, the little 32 was great. It fit my hands very well, had a nice trigger, pointed naturally, was accurate and a joy to shoot. It has an aluminum frame, so it's light and easy to handle. Somehow my FiL talked me out of it, so I just ordered myself another one.
During the Obama era there was a high demand for name brand pistols; I found a good value in an ATI92C: A Turkish clone of the Beretta 92F, in the Centurion length; CDNN was selling them for $299. (EAA has lately imported the full size variant: Girsan Regard 92, I see that one currently going for around $400 give or take.) Beretta 92 mags fit, but had proprietary locking block. Was a nice pistol for the money.
 
Occasionally I'll buy a cheap or little-known or much-disparaged handgun just because it was such a good deal... kind of a gamble and/or a lark. Some of them were junk and a waste of money, albeit not much money. A few of them have turned out to be good solid shooters.

Maybe you've had similar experiences?
Yes, but it all comes down to where you draw the line between cheap and not so cheap. "Little known" depends on how knowledgeable the person is and if we're talking the folks here it'd have to be one whale of an obscure brand as the knowledge base here is frighteningly large. Much disparaged, on the other hand, is completely a matter of the opinion of the disparager. Because a firearm is disparaged doesn't mean it's not good, just that the person voicing the opinion doesn't think much of it.

Believe it or not, there are gun snobs out there. I just had this discussion with one of the managers at another of our gun stores. He stated that he would take a fist sized rock over certain relatively inexpensive firearms. His definition of cheap was fairly broad and as the satisfied owner of my Bersa, Boris the Taurus .357 and my High Standard Sentinel 922 I thought that he was being silly, quite frankly. There are many dependable firearms that don't have prestigious pedigrees that will work quite well.

I don't think that Tanfoglio, RIA, or Charter Arms count as "off-brand" for a lot of shooters these days, but here are some less common ones:
I had a Tangoglio that I gave my sister, I never cared for the heel mag release and I've shot a friend's .44 Bulldog and it did well for a 2" snubbie.

I bought my first handgun admittedly because of looks. I was 21 and saw it's picture on the cover of Shooting Times and fell in lust. Lucky for me the gun wasn't a dog. Since then it's 100% been function over form and prestige. I don't think a bullet is much affected by the brand of the gun that fired it. As long as the lower price, less prestigious gun is as accurate and functionally dependable as the fancier one, I can't see ponying up the extra dollars to impress someone else with the neato brand gun I have.
 
I read a post or something about Miroku revolvers from Japan and apparently remembered the positive statements. I ran across a nice-looking Miroku on GB a few weeks later and "risked" a bid of... $170-something. I won the revolver, and it's a nice one. It's the size of a S&W K-frame and looks a lot like one, though the cylinder unlocks like a Colt. The trigger is great and it's a very good shooter. It seems very well made. My friend tells me that Japanese LEO's used to be armed with them. It's one of the best 2" snubs I've ever shot.
FINALLY, I am not the only one! I bought one of these from a gun shop for almost the same price you paid more than ten years ago. They said some guy brought it to them after finding it in his dad's basement after the dad died, and it had never been fired. It even had the original receipt in the original box, from sometime in the 1960s. I like weird things, so I figured "What the hell." It was pretty heavy, it was too big for a snubby, it had retro styling, it ... had the best trigger I have ever seen on a revolver and was accurate as hell. And a gorgeous blued finish too.
I pawned it a few years ago, when I needed some cash. Then I forgot about it! When I went back to the store to redeem it, it was gone. It's The One That Got Away.

My own contribution: My New England Firearms R92 Ultra:
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i'm not saying it's the best .22 revolver ever made ... not even close. But it cost me all of $275, and there is no double-action .22 made anymore as good as this one that can be had for that money.
 
Heritage. Have a .22 combo w/ adj sights
I owned one of these a few yeas ago, with a cool light gray finish and green grips. I very stupidly sold it (me selling guns then regretting it appears to be a theme). I've been desperate to at least get a Heritage with adjustable sights (I'll probably never see that finish again; it isn't even on the company's website) but they have become unobtanium.
And if Heritage ever sells anything in .32 again, I will buy one in a New York Minute.
 
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