Off duty Police told they can't carry at University

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well most police officers are never "off-duty" they have sworn to an oath to always protect and serve... not to mention there is a federal law that allows all active law enforcement be able to carry everywhere... and retired police of 10 years who qualify with a specific gun to carry as well.... (someone with more experience in the field please add to this being im not even close to an expert on this)
 
I don't agree with it, but I love it. A taste of their own medicine.

I'd love to tell 'em exactly what they usually tell us... "If you don't like it, write your congressman!"
 
Actually, I believe the law says that they can carry anywhere a person with a CCW can carry.

Also, LEOs are most certainly not always on duty. If that were true, they could never drink or look at computer porn, both of which are prohibited to on duty officers everywhere I have ever worked.
 
That story confuses my feeble little mind.... it says the officers "have a problem" with this new policy that is designed to "keep students safe". Why would they have a problem with keeping students safer? :rolleyes:
 
I'd be interested in hearing the explanation from university admin. as to why the Second Amendment doesn't apply to LEO's on campus.
 
I'd be interested in hearing the explanation from university admin. as to why the Second Amendment doesn't apply to LEO's on campus.
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I'd be interested in hearing the explanation from university admin. as to why the Second Amendment doesn't apply on campus.

There! Fixed it!
 
Why should LEO get special treatment?

Everyone should get a CCW (or applicable rules of their state) and be subject to the rights and limits of one set of rules.

Making special classes of people makes it easier to infringe on other classes. Of course some LEO don't give a flying crap about restrictive CCW process in may-issue states. Why should they? It doesn't apply to them?
 
This thread is very interesting. I went to Guilford College in the very early 70's - there probably wasn't a more liberal place on earth. It was smaller Quaker college at the tail end of the 60s - when we "occupied" the administration building, the college VP and several deans joined us sitting in the halls.

But they had a LEAP (Law Enforcement Assistance Program), and no one objected to armed police officers who were students wearing guns in class.

Mike
 
Why should LEO's get "special consideration"? Because they're "officers of the law" -- just like attorneys are "officers of the court" and so don't have to go through a search to enter the courthouse.

As much as I'd like to see carry allowed on campus -- it's allowed in some states -- federal and state law makes LEO carry a special class of access. It's beyond me how university admin. can somehow "trump" state and federal law.
 
If you don't trust your off duty cops with a gun, who do you trust. The university is being run by idiots. I guess this means there will never be a campus shooting, because no one will be allowed to carry.
 
I don't agree with it, but I love it. A taste of their own medicine.

I'd love to tell 'em exactly what they usually tell us... "If you don't like it, write your congressman!"
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What are you talking about? The police didn't change the school rule. This isn't a law, but a school rule. Even if it was a law, the police don't make the law.
 
"It's beyond me how university admin. can somehow "trump" state and federal law."

They can say, declare, pontificate, whatever as much as they want ... but the bottom line is, they can't. I believe that any LEO's response to this is going to involve sand and pounding.
 
Most of you chiming in don't know TN law.

In Tennessee, police are NOT on duty 24/7. They work their shifts, and they go. If a LEO goes onto a college campus carrying a firearm NOT while acting as LEO, they are committing a felony. The federal cited does NOT over-rule this state law, also this is NOT a new campus policy, it is actually bringing the campus into compliance with the law.

It is worth noting that when the TN legislature crafting our laws, the made every effort to NOT grant LEOs any special exception. It is in fact illegal for a policeman who is working his shift to take his lunch break in a restaurant that serves alcohol, because firearms are prohibited in places that serve beer/alcohol for on site consumption. The only legally valid excuse is that the officer entered as LEO because of his job. Personal lunch break during his shift is NOT a valid excuse.

When the campus cops say they rely on the other cops, what they really mean is they don't want to tell their friends no.

I for one am glad to see some special treatment end. Once I can carry on school grounds, then I will happy to let government men do the same. I find the convenience excuse disgusting. It would be convenient for me as well, but they don't care.
 
As much as I'd like to see carry allowed on campus -- it's allowed in some states -- federal and state law makes LEO carry a special class of access. It's beyond me how university admin. can somehow "trump" state and federal law.
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Federal law does not say a thing about Cops being able to carry anywhere they want. The LEOSA (18 USC Sec. 926B) says:

Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is a qualified law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection (b).
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then subsection b says:

This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that -
(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.
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So, there are no laws being "trumped" here.
 
All of you guys citing HR218 still need to pay attention to post 22 by divemedic. He cited the relevant federal law, and I already handled the state laws.

It is not that hard to understand. Legally speaking, if the University pushes this, they could in fact get any off-duty cop arrested and prosecuted for the felony crime of possessing a weapon on a college campus.

Personally, I hope they do so because I for one am sick of the special treatment LEOs often receive, in this state, VERY undeservedly.
 
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