Officers Dressed As Homeless Give Tickets

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Homeless advocates in Florida are outraged by an operation where undercover police officers dressed as vagrants, observed drivers running red lights or committing other traffic violations, then radioed ahead to other officers who stopped those cars and wrote tickets.

"Operation Vagrant," a sting operation involving the Florida Highway Patrol, Kissimmee police and the Osceola County Sheriff's Office, nabbed 171 drivers - most of whom ran red lights, a violation that carries an $83 fine.

Undercover deputies stood along streets and gave the indication they were vagrants by pushing shopping carts and wearing fake teeth and tattered clothing. They also carried small cardboard signs, which read, "Sheriff's traffic sting in progress. Buckle up."

"It's kind of appalling," said Marilyn Gordon, executive director of the Homeless Services Network of Central Florida. "I wonder if it will be a consciousness-raising exercise for the law-enforcement officers."

Robert H. Brown, president and chief executive officer of the Coalition for the Homeless of Central Florida, said the officers were being silly.

"It's ironic that they would use a disguise of someone that people think of as visually offensive," Brown said. "I just think it shows that the community's aware of the homeless problem. I wish they would solve it, rather than masquerading."

Osceola sheriff's bureau Chief Jerry Geier said the sting was designed to raise awareness about dangerous intersections.

Nearly 25,000 drivers were ticketed for running red lights in Florida in 2001, and 107 deaths that year were attributed to drivers disregarding traffic signals. Plus, police nationwide started a new initiative this week to call attention to dangers of riding in a vehicle without using a seat belt.

"Our ultimate goal is to make an impact," Geier said. "The last thing we're trying to do is disrespect anybody."

State Rep. Irv Slosberg, D-Boca Raton, an advocate of stronger seat-belt and other traffic-safety laws, applauded the sting operation. His daughter, Dori, 14, was killed in a 1996 traffic accident in which she did not wear a seat belt.

"I admire them for being creative," Slosberg said.
 
Some depts. here in Tejas outfit officers as construction workers - hard hat, orange vest, blue jeans and - radar gun. Fines can be DOUBLED for speeding in construction zone "when workmen are present". ;)
 
Wow! I thought you were suppossed to be low profile when "undercover"? Maybe just use a lot of covers?:D

BTW, I have a solution for the "homeless crisis". Have Bobby Brown and all the other whiny leftists at the Coalition for Setting Fire to El Tejon's Money pull their BMWs over and pick up two "homeless" persons and take them home. The "problem" would disappear overnight!:D

Grey, are you sure that's an official gig? Mabbe they're just trying out for The Village People?:scrutiny: [arm signs, people] "Y-M-C-A."
 
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Such stings operations don't bother me with their tactics: honestly run, they only zap volunteers. I have seen a couple of (old) studies showing a very strong negative correlation between the rate of citation of moving violations and accident rates, injury rates, and property damage rates. The sting operations do utilize limited resources which might be better allocated to other activities, but that can only be argued knowing the specifics of each operation. The "advocates" and their PC angst mongery are dismissable.
 
I don't quite understand how this is a "sting" operation. My father wore a suit to work when he was a deputy chief in Dallas, so I guess if he spotted a person running a red light and then radioed a car to pull him over that would be a "sting" because he wasn't in uniform or something? Somebody help me out here... All I see here is a police officer observing a person comitting a traffic violation and having a car stop them.

I do think this is hillarious:
They also carried small cardboard signs, which read, "Sheriff's traffic sting in progress. Buckle up.
You have to admit, they're at least giving fair warning.
 
I worked for an insurance Co. for 30 years where I read reports about auto accidents. Running a red light often was the cause of horrible deaths. I had a co-worker who was killed when she ran a red light and didn't have a seat-belt on. She had been given a ticket for this and was gripping how she was loosing her rights, instead she lost her life. I always wear my seat-belt, because I think it's the smart thing to do.
Having said that, I must say if I were in Kissime? Florida and saw a bunch of vagrants running around, I think I would turn around and go home. I don't think it helps the image of the city, for the police to have these kinds of sting operations. After all if you are on vacation you want to feel safe. I have a carry permit for Florida. I would hate to shoot a police officer thinking he was trying to highjack my vehicle. So I don't think this is a very good idea.
As I was riding around today doing some shopping here in Ohio. I noticed an over abundance of Highway Patrol. They were supposed to be looking for seat belt violations. I don't think they got many because they were parked along side of the road having long conversations with each other. I guess it was their social time.
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They use Highway Dept outfits here to disguise officers. Fines 2x in work zones. Jiminey...I think two monkey with a sand castle pail and shovel could build our roads better...and faster.

I do know some" homeless "are in fact Sociology students working on a thesis.

Maybe for construction sites... Big Big Maybe...still don't like it, espcially when they ask for papers...Orwellian
 
""It's ironic that they would use a disguise of someone that people think of as visually offensive,"


Oh?

I live in the Washington, DC, metro area. Quite frankly, most people I know don't even really "see" the homeless on the streets anymore -- they're practically invisible.

Dressing this way, while possibly a sad commentary on contemporary life, is a way for the officers to blend in with the environment. It's almost perfect urban camoflage.
 
Am I missing something here?

Folks, as I read this, the guy in mufti is THE SPOTTER! The spotter radios to the writer who, presumably in uniform, waves over those called in by the spotter and cites them. The driver will have a very tough time articulating fear of death or grievous injury, and will (HORRORS!) have to show papers (driver's license, vehicle registration, and maybe proof of insurance.) Presuming an honestly run operation, the only issue I see here is the one of resource allocation versus benefits for which I have no data.

As always, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
 
Who cares what the spotters dress themselves up as? And who cares what advocates for the homeless think, anyway? Stopping deaths and grevious injuries is a good thing, even if it does involve the apparently dreaded-for-some review of "papers." :rolleyes:
 
All right, I'm a wild-eyed libertarian too, but what exactly is the problem? In your world, would it be puke-inducing for a patrol car to be sitting behind a roadside sign with a radar gun? They're not checking anyone's papers, for God's sake. This is not a case of "you have nothing to hide, right?" as someone put it above. They're NOT SEARCHING! All they're doing is watching the intersection to see if you stop at the darn light.

Quick! Name a more dangerous traffic violation than running a red light! I'm sure there are some, but not many. Good use of cops in my opinion. Besides, the guy with the sign has obviously spent years developing the ideal Sitting-In-A-Chair-By-The-Side-Of-The-Road physique for an operation just like this one. You want to waste that finely tuned radio spotter's body on tasks it was obviously not designed for, like vainly struggling to jump a fence in pursuit of a car thief?

The signs are priceless. Maybe the SO should argue that the signs are giving people an incentive to read the signs held by real homeless people, thus humanizing them to the population at large. Heck, they're actually HELPING those homeless advocates!
 
It's funny, isn't it, Art?

Some people go explosively sideways about the concept of red light cameras, and some people go explosively sideways about actual cops enforcing red light violations.

Maybe we can placate all of them?

Simply remove ALL traffic control signals of all types. No red lights, no stop signs, no speed limit signs, no yield signs. Street signs? Hey, they gotta come down, too. Guard/guide rails? Unnecessary. Lane markings? Out of the question.

I figure within two months the herd will be so sufficiently thinned that it will be easy, and safe, to drive again.

All of the A-holes will have killed themselves, taking along a lot of other people...
 
Well, you know...if you're not hurting anyone...

I mean, I should have the right to drive as I please, just as long as I manage to get from A to B without running anyone over.

Right?

Mike :scrutiny:

Edit: Apparently biting sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet. Assume that this was delivered in a tone that would indicate that the poster thought the idea espoused was about the stupidest thing he'd ever heard. ;)
 
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Ya know, Mike brings up a good point. In my gig I see people who are all bent out of shape over a traffice infraction, but shrug off felony arrests.

People fly off the handle over some poor mensch of a po-po who drew speed enforcement by the high school, but say nothing when the General Assembly passes even more feckless, unenforceable laws that only besmirch the criminal justice system.

Some days you just want to scream.:scrutiny:
 
Okay, I have two opinions about this.

The first is, why does it matter how the cops are dressed? They're catching people who are breaking the law. If you don't want to be caught, um, perhaps don't break the law.

The second is, it just feels a bit too "big brother"y to me.
 
Paging Mike Irwin...

Sir...the reason your shoes are all wet? Its because you missed the dripping sarcasm in my post. ;)

Mike ;)
 
From a purely pragmatic standpoint, the lawbreakers have no excuse. However, one might question this traffic enforcement action on several points:

1. Allocation of resources - have all the local criminal cases been solved? How many people have had things stolen, only to be told police are too busy to even come out to take a report, much less investigate? Don't know what the situation is like in Osceola County, but I'd wager its no different than most metro areas...most property crimes get zero response.

2. Economic agenda - this multi-agency crackdown grossed $14k+ (for 1 day? article doesn't specify). Pays better than solving petty crime, eh? Some have mentioned the dangers of running red lights, I suppose we could trade anecdotes along those lines, but lets just say that traffic enforcement without all the stealth undercover elements thrown in, would be just as effective, from a public safety standpoint.

3. Loss of trust - we have lots of threads where leo's question why the public wants to bash them, seemingly oblivious to the fact that operations like this, intended to fool the general public over traffic enforcement (and smugly rub their noses in it with the cardboard sign... What do you bet that the arresting officer had a witty opening question, for arrestees..."Hey, didn't you read that cardboard sign the "homeless" guy was holding? (yuk yuk)) My point is, when the leo's engage in deception at this level, it comes back on them in the future, in terms of general loss of respect. Is that too hard to grasp?

When the general public starts feeling like its going to be "stung" whenever they leave the house, do you think they'll be more (or less) inclined to support leo agencies when the time comes?
 
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