Oh nuts: moving to NY (State), help me figure what's legal

[Caimlas]

I may be moving to New York State in the near future for a job opportunity. As such, I'm fairly certain I've got several firearms and accessories (magazines) which, while legal in America, are illegal in NY state.

First, I've got a Rock River Arms "Entry Tactical" model - here. As near as I can tell (and according to this information under "assault weapon"):

An "assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher; or (b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; (iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or (c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm; or (d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known as (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (All Models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (Sc-70); (iv) Colt Ar-15;(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC; (vi) SWD M 10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; (vii) Steyr Aug; (viii) Intratec TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (ix) Revolving Cylinder Shotguns, such as (or Similar to) the Streetsweeper and Striker 12; (e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle, shotgun or pistol that (a) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide-action; (b) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (c) is an antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16); (ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine; (iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof, specified in appendix A to section 922 of 18 U.S.C. as such weapon was manufactured on October 1, 1993. The mere fact that a weapon is not listed in appendix A shall not be construed to mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; or (v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this subdivision lawfully possessed prior to September 14, 1994.

So by my read, I can't even bring this rifle into the state without possibly being arrested on a felony charge (which would, of course, be legal in America). Not only does this rifle appear to be banned outright, but any combination of pistol grip, collapsible stock, bayonet lug (I'm not sure - I think it has one, but I've never seen a bayo for an AR and RRA's site doesn't specify, so I couldn't say either way), flash hider/barrel thread, and removable magazine capability makes it illegal. Am I correct?

If so, the same would apply for my (Yugo) SKSs and most of my other firearms, as well as limiting me to under 10 round magazines for my pistols. Correct here as well?

I knew CA law was restrictive, but this is ridiculous. I can't move to the damn state (where I grew up) without disinvesting myself of a not-insubstantial number of firearms? What bull $%#*!!! And the job is too far north to make a daily drive from a neighboring state feasible (Fishkill)...

 

[AntiqueCollector]

Get a different job. It comes down to money versus rights and liberty, you make the decision.

 

[Winter Borne]

You are correct sir. Don't even take the chance. It's one of many reasons I left NY to come to VA.

mk

 

[atblis]

Yep

There's plenty of room for you down here in Virginia.

 

[kcmarine]

Don't move. You'll have to pay the taxes which go to support these restrictive laws. There are better things out there.

 

[CNYCacher]

It's basically like the AWB never sunsetted in NY. If you want the goods, it must be pre-94. Possible AWs are just limited to one "evil feature" and you are good. Example: My AK has the bayo lug ground off, and the threaded barrel had a nut threaded onto it and a small tack weld keeps the nut on there. My one feature is the pistol grip.
There are tons of ARs and AKs and SKSeses in this state. Rural areas are almost all shall-issue on unrestricted CCWs as well, and they are good for life.

Northern NY is also some beautiful country.

It's not Arizona but it isn't hell either.

 

[Phaetos]

You'll have to pay the taxes which go to support these restrictive laws

Heard on the radio today on Sean Hannity, that the average New Yorker pays over $5500 in state and local taxes per year. That's ALOT!

 

[Meathook]

Don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I live in rural Western NY it is one of the most beautiful places in the country.

Having said that. Keep a couple things in mind.

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This is the highest taxed state in the union.

Property taxes are insane.

People are leaving NY faster than any other state in the union.

The cost of living particularly in the area you are talking about is ridiculous. People live there and commute to NYC and the housing costs are insane.

Companies and businesses are leaving NY it is not a business friendly state.

Elliot Spitzer is the Governor he was involved in suing gun companies. He is a liberals liberal.

All of the recent gun proposals passed the house.

All of your handguns must be registered.

AWB as noted still in place.

COBIS (ballistic fingerprinting) any new gun has to have this so basically no online purchases unless the dealer will take it to a COBIS center for you.

To buy a handgun you have to go to the store buy the gun then leave (without the gun) take the receipt to the county clerk have the permit issued and then go back to the store with your coupon and pick up your gun.

NY is not a shall issue state and county by county there are restrictions some judges put restrictions on your permit for hunting and target shooting ONLY. (I think Fishkill is in Dutchess county according to Packing.org a post made in 2005 it seems to be a theoretical Shall Issue.)

There is no preemption so any county or city can further restrict your RKBA.

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I am looking to eventually get out of here. There is no job that could pay you enough to make moving here worth it.

 

[Meathook]

It's not Arizona but it isn't hell either.

It's not hell I agree but the hoops a law abiding citizen has to jump through are ridiculous.

Why should you have to mutilate your weapon to make some Lib in Albany feel better about themselves.

Here is a real life example.

I bought a pistol a week ago. The dealer who had what I wanted was an hour away. So I had to drive two hours to go do the paper work then drive home without it.

I then had to drive a half an hour to the sheriffs office to get the pistol put on my permit.

Then an hour back to the dealer to pick up my gun.

So I spent 5 hours of driving when I could have spent 2 if we didn't have these oppressive gun laws. Oh and did I mention I drove to all these places with a loaded pistol in the truck (legally). How stupid is that I can drive all over creation with a loaded weapon but can't be trusted to pick up a new gun without having it on my permit.

It is sickening the way we are treated in this state.

 

[never_retreat]

I'll buy anything you can't take to NY, and this comming from a guy in the PRNJ

 

[Caimlas]

Yeah, never_retreat, that statement of your's is both telling and disgusting. Like I said, I grew up in NY. You people down in NJ are seen as a lower, more grit-covered form of life. The fact that NJ residents can own firearms NY residents can't (I'm assuming that's the case, by your statement) drives the point home how sickly NY is.

There's really no way I can move back to NY; I've been in SD since I was 15 (over a decade), my parents and grandparents (yes, still alive) want me to move back, I've got family history there stretching all the way back to the very first settlers to the area, I've got a good job opportunity, and I really love the upper part of the state - there's something hardwired in me to like it. But I can't do it.

Yeah, it's a collection of machined metal used to throw projectiles at a piece of paper (not much of a hunter or competitive shooter), but that's just it: it's just a collection of metal pieces. It symbolizes something much more, as evidenced by the fact that the godam statists want to deprive me of it.

 

[SWMAN]

As a former NYer, and someone who still has property and relatives in NY, avoid NY at all cost. It is a dying state with restricted liberty and high taxes.

 

[Whitewolf 508]

Paradise

Twenty years ago when my parents died, my wife and I looked toward moving out of New York. We decided we did not want hurricanes, earthquakes, tornados or extremes of heat or cold. That left us with the Northeast pretty much.

Yes, we do have higher taxes but my income for my job is considerably higher than if I were to move South or West. Her income is also higher that she could command elsewhere. The property market here has declined but it is still chugging along.

The crime rate in my area(Dutchess County-Mid Hudson Valley)is one of the lowest in the nation. There are some illegal aliens here but not in any great numbers. The only gangs are home-grown and they seem to only kill each other off . Property crime and violent crime seem confined to the one city- Poughkeepsie.

Our county sheriff is failrly reasonable about pistol permits and the turnaround time on purchase coupons is around a week. The permits,by the way, are good for life although getting one takes between 6 to 9 months. The length of time is because of the FBI's increase in turnaround time on the fingerprints. Is is a pain in the butt but Butch does try to weed out the psychos from getting permits and that is a good thing.

There are benefits in living here in UPSTATE. When making your decision, weigh the whole thing before you make your decision.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Sorry, No offense to you personally but if you are choosing to give up your rights and liberty just so that you can make more money you'll need to get your advice from someone other than me.

(Also a hint. You won't be "making" nearly as much money as you think because the NY State legislature digs so deeply into your pocket with taxes that you'll think you got mugged in the street).

Born and raised in NY, and wouldn't consider moving back unless there was a complete revision of the government there.

EDIT: By the way, I'll agree with WhiteWolf that the Hudson River Valley (Poughkeepsie, Redhook, Rhinebeck) are decent areas and the physical state itself is beautiful (especially in the fall) but the government of NY is so screwed up on all levels. A few years ago the state congress was going to leave for vacation with the budget unfinished and it took a public protest at the capitol where citizens were insisting that they stay and finish their job. Then you have Bloomberg who basically bought his election, then decides he can dictate law to other states (see Bloomberg and gun grabbing).

If you do decide to move there, good luck. You'll be moving into an enemy encampment.

 

[Prince Yamato]

As someone else mentioned, it's as if the AW ban never sunset in NY. If you absolutely HAVE to move upstate, it won't be that bad. Yeah, getting CCW can be a real pain. But there are many aspects to living upstate that are wonderful. If you love history, you'll love upstate NY. Susan B. Anthony, Fredrick Douglas, and many others were NY residents. There are MANY revolutionary and war of 1812 sights throughout upstate NY. If you live up by Rochester/Buffalo, you're never too far from a quick ride to Toronto which has many theatre and opera attractions. Have you ever seen Autumn in upstate NY? Living in the south, it's the one thing I really, really miss about the north... that and winter in Toronto, when I lived there. If you follow the Hudson north, you can make an easy stop in Quebec as well, which is a really interesting city, especially the old part, built (I think) in the 1500s. In summation, if your daily life is eating, sleeping, and breathing firearms, then perhaps you should consider a job elsewhere. If they're not your chief hobby, then you'll face some restrictions, but it's till better than CA.

 

[MilsurpShooter]

If you can keep out of Westchester/Rockland counties it isn't "TOO" Bad. Taxes here are insane (School budget just passed to hike it up another 6.54%) I'm paying $6,000k+ a year in School and Property tax. Fishkill is a wonderful area, I'm up there every weekend to see my best friend and his family, know the back roads, know of a range and gun club, few good places to go and eat so if you do move and need some advice give me a shout. (Route 9 just had a honest to goodness BBQ joint open up, very rare to get good BBQ in NY unless you're like me and do it yourself)

And yes the assault weapon ban never reached the horizon for us. Feds passed theres, we passed our own that was a bit more restrictive. As it stands right now, detachable mag and 2 evil features make it a no no. New law in the works trying to make it so a detachable mag and one feature is a no no.

This state really does suck, but it has so much potential. Great scenery, great hunting (season is very short though) and some very decent roads that will get you long distances quickly. I drove from my place to Canada and then back home in about 12 hours, cruise control all the way.

The major drawback to the state is the City where Lord Bloomberg reigns and passes laws for the whole state (Smoking ban) and up North in Albany which is considered the most dysfunctional legislature in all 50 states. The budget thing is true, people were protesting them to finish the jobs, yet they got to vote on their raises... Wonder how that passed?

If there was a way to excommunicate everything south of Dutchess, east of the Hudson, and set up Albany like DC we'd have a pretty good state

 

[30 cal slob]

Are we talking NYC here?

If so, consider Connecticut.

It is the least evil out of the tri-state area.

We have a silly assault weapons law (you can have certain EBR's), but we have (effectively) shall-issue CCW and can have all NFA goodies (except select fire machine guns - machine guns in CT have to be full-auto only).

SW CT is only 40 minutes outside of Manhattan.

BTW, if you want to bring your RRA to CT (assuming it is a post-ban) all you have to do to comply with CT state law is weld a muzzle cover over the threaded bbls.

 

[steveracer]

Anything date marked?

It's all pre-ban if it has no date on it. They aren't going to carbon-date your flash hider in NY to seal the conviction.
Steve

 

[ctdonath]

As a former NYer, and someone who still has property and relatives in NY, avoid NY at all cost. It is a dying state with restricted liberty and high taxes.

That makes two of us.

Remember: a post-'94 magazine over 10 rounds is a felony.

Be aware that NY is about to ban a lot more, tightening the AWB far beyond where it stands. The "2 evil features allowed" notion is about to be replaced with "0 evil features allowed" (evil feature = pistol grip, barrel shroud, flash suppressor, etc.), pretty much eliminating AR and AK type guns entirely. There will be a grandfather clause - but each must be registered, including "ballistic fingerprinting" (you'll have to send the gun somewhere for testing; hope you get it back). Pump shotguns over 5 rounds will be banned.

It's bad now, it's gonna get worse.

Perversely, you CAN get a "sawed-off shotgun" (to wit an NFA AOW 12-gauge pistol) in NY. Paperwork in order, you can carry a Serbu Super-Shorty concealed there.

 

[ctdonath]

They aren't going to carbon-date your flash hider in NY to seal the conviction.

Don't put it past 'em. Since the law is based on "firearms are illegal except for these exceptions", they are certainly in a position to throw you in a cage until you prove, to a judge's satisfaction, that what you have is legal.

Remember: this is a state where owning a metal box with a spring is a felony.

 

[SkiLune]

As a former NYer, and someone who still has property and relatives in NY, avoid NY at all cost. It is a dying state with restricted liberty and high taxes.

'nother ex-NYer here. Agree 100%.

 

[Caimlas]

Yeah, I am NOT pleased about the state of firearm laws there.

if I do move (still a big if - it's raping my brain right now just thinking about it) back to NY, I'd have housing set up in Putnam at below-cost rates ($1200 for a 2br 2nd story of a house), which is actually where I grew up. Lots of family in the area.

Plan would only be to stay one or two years. Likely only take the job if I can get another extra couple K tacked onto the salary to compensate for the wallet abuse.

Alternatively, if any of you THR fiends need an IT guy well versed in Linux administration and a mediocre C-style programmer, do contact me with an alternative.

 

[WeThePeople]

I'll make you a deal. I'll hold onto the weapons for you and you can come down to Kentucky anytime you want and shoot them! I won't charge you a dime for storage and I'll even pick up your range tab! Heck, I'll come and pick them up!

 

[eric.cartman]

Caimlas,

Check your PM's

 

[PRazz]

I left Ny two years ago and have never looked back. Yeah I make half what I did in Ny here in Kentucky, but I have alot more money in my pocket and savings now. My house is twice as big and cost half as much. My taxes...uh what taxes. My bills have decreased by 75%. I have worked and lived that entire area(Orange/Dutchess/Sullivan)Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhatten for 20 plus years. It is all in my rearview, free at last, so long Ny, Hello America!

Oh and I'll take that pistol right there, here's my driver's license and money, here's my signature, 1 minute phone call to I.D., here's your gun, Have a nice day Sir. In and out in...well, you get the picture. It's nice being treated like a citizen and not a criminal.