Ohio GUN CLUB says "No CCW here!"

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Go re-read my post ... I have no problem with rules that require you to keep your piece holstered unless you're on the firing line. But thats not what the anti-CCW rules state.
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I read your post and I understand what you were trying to say. That's why I only quoted the first sentence.

I live in Georgia and I have a CCW permit. In Georgia there is no requirements to show your proficiency with a handgun. 95 to 98% of those who have a permit are "safe", sadly it is the small percentage that isn't that causes the problem. I try to go to the range at least every other weekend and I try to drum up a conversation with people there to help break the ice and to get to know your fellow shooters. In the past months I have also had the holy bejesus scared out of me. Example: We called for a clear (cold) range so that we could go forward and change targets. As we started going down range a shot rang out and impacted downrange somewhere. A man (who was not on the firing line but was in the "back area") had pulled his CCW piece to show it to someone and it discharged. How? Who knows. His response was it just went off. He left right after that. When I began talking to the guy that was with him when this happened, he stated that they had been discussing the merits of a particular handgun (Walther P99) and just so happened this guy had one as his CCW piece.

Just because someone has a CCW doesn't mean they are safe.

This next part is hearsey because I wasn't there so..

A local gun store has a sign up that states "Every firearm must be unloaded before entering the store." I was talking with a buddy of mine who frequents it and he said that someone came in to trade in a pistol and shot a hole in the counter.

I mean nothing against you with this and I know someone will probably take offense about what I wrote. Oh well.
 
No offense taken. But the events you describe, while very high on the seriousness scale, are extremely low on the frequency scale.
sadly it is the small percentage that isn't that causes the problem.
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Is it really a problem? Or is it either the "risk of a problem" or even a "perceived" problem. In reality, the victims of bad guys who misuse gun are almost always other bad guys. (not all, of course) The "problems" caused by negligent good guys, IMHO, are statistically insignificant. (I am not a statistition) I think that the anti's do enough to overinflate this perceived problem.
 
Just because someone has a CCW doesn't mean they are safe.
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Same thing goes for a badge ... but they are always exempt from this silliness :scrutiny:


Frankly I trust someone with a CCW more then someone with a badge when it comes to safety.
 
No offense taken. But the events you describe, while very high on the seriousness scale, are extremely low on the frequency scale. Is it really a problem? Or is it either the "risk of a problem" or even a "perceived" problem. In reality, the victims of bad guys who misuse gun are almost always other bad guys. (not all, of course) The "problems" caused by negligent good guys, IMHO, are statistically insignificant. (I am not a statistition) I think that the anti's do enough to overinflate this perceived problem.
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Same thing goes for a badge ... but they are always exempt from this silliness. Frankly I trust someone with a CCW more then someone with a badge when it comes to safety.
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Point taken guys. All is good on my end. :)
 
I know several irresponsible gunowners that have no business carrying a loaded firearm. But like the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment doesn't address the wisdom or maturity of the individual given that right.
 
Why can’t it work like this?

Post a reminder that “If it’s concealed, keep it concealed.â€

The gun you shoot will NOT be the one you are carrying. If you want to shoot your carry gun you bring it on to the range unloaded in a case just like anything else.

I can see the concern that two guys talking CCW will be tempted to show off what they carry. That would be very dangerous. It would also be felony brandishing in my state.

I suppose the club would hate to send a member to prison for 5 years but it would probably only happen once.

The payoff is, as has been mentioned, that we would be showing that this can be done safely. We would be respecting each other’s right to carry.

So far the ranges I shoot haven’t posted but the county hasn’t started issuing permits here either. They do have general rules about all guns cased, unloaded, etc. but nothing CCW specific.
 
"But like the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment doesn't address the wisdom or maturity of the individual given that right."

That could have been an oversight on the Framers' part, but in any case neither one applies on private property.

I get real nervous when somebody I don't know says "Let me show you something" and pulls a gun out of their pocket. I really hate it when it happens at a range and I have plugs and muffs on and don't know why they're going for their gun. Just suspicious I guess.

John
 
Boy, I hope the gun-grabbers don't get hold of this. I can see the ads now.
"Guns are so dangerous that shooting ranges in this state ban CCW"

"You can't carry a loaded gun in a PISTOL RANGE"

"Why should we allow carrying hidden loaded guns in public, when it's too dangerous for a local shooting range?"

"Gun owners agree it's too dangerous to carry loaded guns at a pistol range."
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Wonderful.
 
i too am a member of FSA. My assumption is it is not a saftey issue. but an issue of SNIDE shotgunners. It is a terrible club to belong to. the only reason i shoot there is because it's the only place i have.

Hey Brian D. have you noticed the sign in the "NEW" rifle house? The one about .50 BMG's? Someones after comments are very funny but at the same time VERY TRUE.

Everytime i drive in the club all i can think is what the hell did we fight so long for??
 
The local gunshop and range has a "no loaded weapons" rule, too. As for CCW, well... the "rule" is, if it comes in concealed and it leaves concealed and the lads never see it out outside the range, they tend to look the other way; but it's a "gimme" if they catch you being stupid you're just gone.


All the other local gunshops have "no loaded weapons" signs up. The same reasoning: you're probably gonna take your gun out once you're in the store, and they'd as soon not have to mop up your toes (or theirs) if you turn out to be a witling. They'd really rather sell you a gun, or buy yours for a song, or make a deal on a trade, than be having to explain to the barbershop next door that the loud "bang" was just a little slip-up.

On the other hand, "concealed is concealed." If you never take your CW out (or flash it), they're not gonna ask to inspect it. I usually have my Galco purse, and if you know what to look for, it's pretty obviously a carry purse. While I usually just drop the mag, empty the chamber, and store it elsewhere before getting out of my car and walking into the shop, I've yet to be asked even if I am carrying. (And they know I'm a gunnie girl!)


...At a range, folks are going to be looking at guns, probably handing them around, etc. etc. The rangemaster can't be everywhere and usually has no idea who's got a clue, who doesn't, and who's distracted. Running the range cold helps limit the worries and the possible harm. I don't have a problem with that -- I've seen some real interesting behavior, and some even more interesting scars and bullet-holed buildings and furnishings. The range is not the mean, mean streets. The stakes aren't the same. There's a tendancy to relax.

--Herself
 
Tim B:
Sounds like it might be an insurance issue
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I love how people always throw this one out there when they don't *really* have any reason to not allow you to do something. If the range were required to carry CCW insurance, than so would every business in the state. After all, it is concealed and there would be no way to know so everyone would have to carry that insurance. Somehow, I doubt that insurance is the case.

I smell elitism. We have a range in Houston that doesn't allow CCW even though they teach the class there. I signed up without knowing that and was shook down by the owner because he thought I was carrying a weapon when I showed up. The guy was a complete jerk and said, "I am the only one with a gun in here. That way I can keep people in line." That is his right and I will never give him my business again.
 
"Why should we allow carrying hidden loaded guns in public, when it's too dangerous for a local shooting range?"

Because guns aren't unholstered and handled in public like they frequently are at a range, gun show or gun store. Is this that hard for people to understand?

I have a few questions and wonder who's bothered by the restrictions.

Does the local car dealer let you drive your car around the showroom floor?

Does the local grocer let you bring a picnic lunch and spread out a blanket in aisle 3?

Does the Masters let you, as a spectator, bring a club just in case you get a chance to hit a few shots during a lull in the tourney?

Ever try to take a bat to a game at Yankee Stadium?

I'm all for complete and total nationwide carry, but I still got po'ed at the gun store Thursday when 3 different customers briefly pointed guns at me. "But it's unloaded and has this tie-thingy on it." Nothing like an educational opportunity.

John
 
JohnBT i understand the points. but there is a little something extra.

The sign says except for sworn law enforcement officers. what makes them special that they get to carry and i don't???

This is what i have a problem with. Come this time next year i will be a sworn law enforcement officer, and most likely still a amember of FSA. unless i can find a nice chunk of land somewhere around here. That sign will still make me angry.

All that needs to be done is add a new rule. Your carry gun stays CONCEALED.

It's that simple.
 
However it seems that they want a cold range for everyone but the police. More of the fine for me but not for thee mentality. I'm on the other side of the metro area from the FSA & have never been there so I can't comment on that facility. However there is one local range that I used to go to where some of the local depts shot. One of the reasons that I don't go there anymore (prices, attitude, etc being the others) is the gun handling that I have seen local police officers demonstrate scared the crap out of me (lots of holes in the ceiling/chips out of the concrete floor by the bench ). And this is by those who want to practice. Granted there are many safe & excellent shooters in the ranks of the police force, however there are also many who hate the idea of dragging a pistol around with them wherever they go. So don't presume to tell me that I, someone who has made the choice to get the training & go about my day armed, am any less competent/safe than those who are putting holes in your ceiling.
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Considering how many dings/holes in the ceiling and walls the police who tend to use one local shooting range which I never frequent but buy stuff from sometime if I'm desperate--they're the closest, but their prices are OUTRAGEOUS and range time starts at 12 bucks an hour!--have put there, I'm particularly irked by such policies.
 
Because guns aren't unholstered and handled in public like they frequently are at a range, gun show or gun store.
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Gun owners agree "Guns are too dangerous to handle in public"


C'mon man, you shoot guns at the range. It's not like the dealer letting you drive in the showroom, it's like driving at the track. Or playing a round of golf, not watching at the Masters. They do let you have golf balls at the driving range, no?

It's a stupid policy, and it plays into the anti-gunners hands. Or it agrees with the anti-gunners philosophy. And I wouldn't spend my money at a range with this policy.
 
Does the CCW ban apply to the whole club or just the range itself? I can understand not allowing concealed carry in range areas (I don't agree, but understand the reasoning.) I can't see how that would be extended to not allowing concealed carry in the clubhouse and/or any common areas.
 
A couple points that caught my attention when sifting through this thread.
Has it struck anyone as funny that one of the reasons we CCW is because rules DON"T work. Murder, robbery, rape, home invasion are illegal. There are rules against it. We realize this so we carry concealed firearms to protect ourselves.
Yet at the same time there are appearently people on here who believe that by makeing a range "cold" that automatically it is safer. Just like gun control laws, the only people who are going to obey rules like this are the people who are paying attention and who always play by the rules. The idiots, the know it alls, the criminals and a whole lot of good safe gun owners will just ignore the rule and you won't even know it.

#2 It is presumed that a cold range is safer. I think you forgot about the so called four rules of firearms safety: in particular rule #1. ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED. Whether the range is cold or hot, it shouldn't change a damn thing. Not one single thing. Every firearm present should be handled the same way regardless. If the people there are too ignorant to know the four rules that is a problem that should be dealt with. If they choose to ignore the rules even though they know and understand the rules, they should be dealt with.
Having a cold range doesn't make anything safer and shouldn't change the way guns are handled. By making rules like this, it is obvious that you are not dealing with reality and are not accomplishing a thing except establishing a feel good rule that will be violated and ignored. You are also buying into the idea that no one should be trusted with a loaded gun except the elite few. Your club or event should be working to ensure gun safety by education and enforcement of the universal rules of firearms handling: not by coming up with draconian rules that accomplish nothing but making you feel like you are doing something to combat the problem with out putting forth any real effort.
 
It's probably a safety issue and may be an NRA insurance issue also.
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I have it on good authority that the NRA Whittington Center allows both open and concealed carry on the premises.

Also, the range I belong to just went through a political battle over this very topic. At the end it was put to a vote. The conclusion was that so long as the pistol is in your holster and does not leave your holster during a cease fire you're kosher via the rules of the range.

I don't know what ranges y'all are shooting at, but it seems to me that any sentient adult with more than two brain cells to rub together would be able to grasp the concept of 'Don't handle guns during a cease-fire.'

But then again, that's why I avoid shooting at public ranges.
 
Does the CCW ban apply to the whole club or just the range itself? I can understand not allowing concealed carry in range areas (I don't agree, but understand the reasoning.) I can't see how that would be extended to not allowing concealed carry in the clubhouse and/or any common areas.
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It applies everywhere even around the fishing lake.
 
Quasi-Interesting Factoids:

The Ohio CCW statute exempts peace officers from having to obtain a permit, but off-duty officers are required to follow the same carry rules as everyone else. In other words, they have to conceal in plain sight in motor vehicles and cannot carry in posted buildings. The only exception is for officers whose agencies require that they be armed at all times, and/or that the weapon must be concealed at all times. IOW, department policy can trump state law.

The state peace officer's training facilities prohibit concealed carry, and require that all guns be secured and not carried. They'll train you in firearms, but will not let you carry the tools of the trade.
 
Heh, when I was getting my newbie orientation at my range, they guy leading the "class" of about 15 people mentioned the rule about no loaded guns anywhere but the firing line, and no concealed carry on the premises.

Then he looked us all in the eye and said, slowly and clearly, "BUT, CONCEALED means CONCEALED. Everyone understand?"

THe message there was pretty clear.

-James
 
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