PILMAN
Member
Alright guys, theres been a huge drama fest over Ohio Rapid Fire for the past few months in regards to some complaints about the long term of these receivers. I don't know if I can link to the forum in question but, mods please edit it if it's against the rules.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27159&page=1&pp=35
There is about 6 pages worth of complaints which seem to be very valid. Todd has responded on a few occasions and it is well known that Century does build on the receivers. ORF also builds guns on the receivers.
The main concerns have been documented mainly by Galil builders. Currently there are 2 major builders that are no longer doing builds, AZEX ARMS and Arizona Response Systems. Both have been very critical, AZEX mainly claiming that the receiver does not slap together with the IMI parts like a regular receiver and that it is out of spec. He has also claimed that the laser lines up but the gun is shooting too far to the right or left.
Todd's response? That sometimes builders end up bending the barrel when fitting the gas block causing it to be inaccurate. AZEX now refuses to do builds on ORF receivers or with green mountain barrels.
Arizona Response Systems, gunplumber will no longer do builds, my guess is he is concerned from a legal aspect and does not want to be held liable. I can't really blame him. He has done reviews on the receiver and notices that the bolt lugs are infact too far back (or I guess sometimes too far forward). This causes the bolt to only contact one side of the receiver. Some builders have mentioned that you can remove material from the bolt lug recesses or ground down on it though that isn't recommended, and even Todd at ORF has said not to ground down on the receivers. Todd's response to this is that the receiver is "seating it's self in".
Other complaints that have come up are loss of headspace. I'm not sure what would cause this but I'm sure this is a large safety issue?
Heat treating, there is question as to if the receivers are too soft or too hard, apparently being too soft is bad as it's causing the ejector to mushroom according to some of the forum members. I do not know what this "mushrooming" is. Angela has mentioned that some receivers that she engraves are very easy and soft, others are so hard her tools break. I've also heard being too hard is bad as it can cause cracks. Todd has responded that his heat treat specs are the same as IMI's which appear to be 40-45RC.
One thing is for sure, my builder is now very concerned about liability (and again I can't blame them either) and will cease Galil builds until they know more about the receiver.
I've emailed Todd on more than one occasion in regards to if there were any safety problems regarding the bolt lug recesses or heat treating. He didn't seem to directly answer the question, just "how did your builder fix the problem?"
As a consumer, I am very concerned in regards to some of the reports on the forums about these receivers. I've been trying to remain as neutral as possible and research into older receivers if anyone has had any issues? I am glad Todd stepped up to the plate to even build Galil receivers as it gives me a cost effective Galil, but now I am seriously concerned about the long term or the safety of the receiver. As much as I would like to say I 100 percent trust ORF and that there are still people building them, I feel the list of Galil builders is narrowing and this is disturbing in it's self.
I do not want to cause any harm to Todd's business for potential customers (though I doubt that considering the success with Century building Galils on his receiver), but I do want some information from people who own these Galils or have had a Galil built on the ORF receiver as to if they have had any serious issues? How many rounds have you shot? Have you noticed a loss of headspace?
Thanks.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27159&page=1&pp=35
There is about 6 pages worth of complaints which seem to be very valid. Todd has responded on a few occasions and it is well known that Century does build on the receivers. ORF also builds guns on the receivers.
The main concerns have been documented mainly by Galil builders. Currently there are 2 major builders that are no longer doing builds, AZEX ARMS and Arizona Response Systems. Both have been very critical, AZEX mainly claiming that the receiver does not slap together with the IMI parts like a regular receiver and that it is out of spec. He has also claimed that the laser lines up but the gun is shooting too far to the right or left.
Todd's response? That sometimes builders end up bending the barrel when fitting the gas block causing it to be inaccurate. AZEX now refuses to do builds on ORF receivers or with green mountain barrels.
Arizona Response Systems, gunplumber will no longer do builds, my guess is he is concerned from a legal aspect and does not want to be held liable. I can't really blame him. He has done reviews on the receiver and notices that the bolt lugs are infact too far back (or I guess sometimes too far forward). This causes the bolt to only contact one side of the receiver. Some builders have mentioned that you can remove material from the bolt lug recesses or ground down on it though that isn't recommended, and even Todd at ORF has said not to ground down on the receivers. Todd's response to this is that the receiver is "seating it's self in".
Other complaints that have come up are loss of headspace. I'm not sure what would cause this but I'm sure this is a large safety issue?
Heat treating, there is question as to if the receivers are too soft or too hard, apparently being too soft is bad as it's causing the ejector to mushroom according to some of the forum members. I do not know what this "mushrooming" is. Angela has mentioned that some receivers that she engraves are very easy and soft, others are so hard her tools break. I've also heard being too hard is bad as it can cause cracks. Todd has responded that his heat treat specs are the same as IMI's which appear to be 40-45RC.
One thing is for sure, my builder is now very concerned about liability (and again I can't blame them either) and will cease Galil builds until they know more about the receiver.
I've emailed Todd on more than one occasion in regards to if there were any safety problems regarding the bolt lug recesses or heat treating. He didn't seem to directly answer the question, just "how did your builder fix the problem?"
As a consumer, I am very concerned in regards to some of the reports on the forums about these receivers. I've been trying to remain as neutral as possible and research into older receivers if anyone has had any issues? I am glad Todd stepped up to the plate to even build Galil receivers as it gives me a cost effective Galil, but now I am seriously concerned about the long term or the safety of the receiver. As much as I would like to say I 100 percent trust ORF and that there are still people building them, I feel the list of Galil builders is narrowing and this is disturbing in it's self.
I do not want to cause any harm to Todd's business for potential customers (though I doubt that considering the success with Century building Galils on his receiver), but I do want some information from people who own these Galils or have had a Galil built on the ORF receiver as to if they have had any serious issues? How many rounds have you shot? Have you noticed a loss of headspace?
Thanks.
