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We won one in Ohio yesterday. Kudos to Buckeye Firearms Association and everyone in Ohio who took time to contact their State Representatives and State Senators. I sent several emails to Rep. Jon Peterson and received a positive response to every one of them. The two issues cited in the following are not the crux of the bill in my opinion as there are much more important issues including 'Katrina type' prohibitions and most importantly castle doctrine protections.

At the same time, the governor is eager to sign into law a bill approved yesterday that relaxes a number of gun laws, allowing people to carry firearms in the cab of a vehicle and prohibiting landlords from telling tenants they cannot own guns.
“The governor is looking forward to signing this legislation, which he believes will offer lawabiding gun owners appropriate and legal protections,” spokesman Keith Dailey said.

As for the gun bill, groups representing county sheriffs, police chiefs, county prosecutors and officers have spoken out against it, concerned that their safety is threatened by a provision allowing anyone to carry a gun inside a car, with the ammo stored nearby.
Robert Cornwell, director of the Buckeye State Sheriffs Association, told the Associated Press this week, “Obviously, he (Strickland) does not support law enforcement and its concerns.”
Dailey responded: “(Strickland) obviously respects law enforcement’s opinion, but in this instance, there’s a difference of opinion on the policy.”
The bill, pushed by the National Rifle Association, also would establish a new “castle doctrine” that presumes that a person acted in self defense when shooting someone who entered his or her home unlawfully. Supporters say it will protect the innocent from facing charges, but prosecutors have argued that it more likely will aid criminals.
 
Kudos to Buckeye Firearms Association

THANK YOU!!! We worked very hard on this one, just like we did with HB347! This is a huge sweeping gun reform bill that we got passed yesterday. And go figure...........in Ohio of all places!

Makes me think there may be hope for our friends in IL and WI. Well, then on the other hand.....
:banghead:
 
No hope for Illinois as long as the five 'Chicago counties' are part of Illinois. I was born and raised in Illinois (left in 1982); when I left the branding theme was "Just outside of Chicago there's a place called Illinois" and that should tell you everything you need to know. Actually, a rather clever back-handed stab in the back of downstate which is par for the course in Illinois.
 
I'd be most interested in knowing how a "castle doctrine" would aid criminals...any clue?

Yea, I thought that was pretty nuts too. Unless that guy thinks anybody defending themselves in their own home is by default a criminal (thus the law aids "criminals" because they can't be sued for their actions)?

But overall good news in the Buckeye state!

Now if they can get rid of the goofy "can't carry in a resturant that serves" provision in the CCW law.
 
This is wonderful news for Ohio. Next steps:

First, RKBA-supporting Ohioans of both parties should do whatever lies in their power to ensure that the candidates nominated for the special election this fall for Attorney General are strong on law-abiding gunowner rights (buckeyefirearms.org reports that the GOP is floating Mike DeWine, who would be a disaster, as a possible candidate).

Second, begin lobbying your elected representatives to support HB225, which would bring something like Alaska/Vermont carry to Ohio. To be candid, I'd be pleasantly surprised if we got any action on the bill this year, but now is the time to start working on it.
 
(buckeyefirearms.org reports that the GOP is floating Mike DeWine, who would be a disaster, as a possible candidate).

:eek:

I know politics is verboten, but DeWine would be an unmittigated disaster on many fronts for AG.
 
The bill, pushed by the National Rifle Association

Erm....No. It was Ohio's grass-roots efforts and politicians who realize the "dangers" of passing such legislations are largely in the eyes of the press and bliss-ninnies.

but prosecutors have argued that it more likely will aid criminals.
I guess they mean a person that murders someone in their home can claim self-defense and get away with it.

You have to prove your innocence beyond a reasonable doubt by proving the "Big Three". Fear of great bodily harm or death. Attacker has ability to inflict such harm. You have no possibility to avoid using force (i.e. you have duty to retreat if possible.)
I haven't heard of any instance where someone has been nailed for defending themselves in their home, but the law has always been very vague here in Ohio on a lot of things involving guns. I'm not a proponent for legislation to cover everything, but I'm glad these are being spelled out.

The fear of running afoul of the law unintentionaly is a worry. Some of the other big wins of the bill as I read it:
-Can legally carry in stores that have a Class D6-D8 liquor license for Sunday and general sales (non-consumption on premesis). Before the law restricted all carry in Class D licenses, but I don't think it was ever enforced on the basis of being silly and confusing.
-Running accidently afoul of the restrictions with a carry permit now results in a Misdemeanor charge, temprorary suspension of license, and fine on the first time. Second time is a felony. Previous law was instant revocation and felony charge.
-Provides legal requirements for return of guns . The gist I got was to prevent police from keeping your gun after you use it to defend yourself and are exonerated of wrong-doing.
-Permits carry in certain gov't funded buildings like park restrooms etc. I'm not sure of the specific list, but it seemed the idea was to remove the "gov't funded" label from certain places licensee's were likely to go to no longer restrict their carry there.

Big loss: Carry in restaurants. This was removed from the original bill by the house. I'm not sure what they're trying to prevent since it's illegal to carry while under the influence. If I want to carry into a restaurant and not drink drink alcohol, why should I be restricted from doing so?

Regardless, this bill is a lot of the things we've wanted (things the antis hate) and only a few things we need to continue working on. Big Win, any way you look at it.
 
I'd be most interested in knowing how a "castle doctrine" would aid criminals...any clue?

If a person intended to murder another, did the crime in their home, and claimed self defense is the only set of circumstances I can come up with; I am not sure how castle doctrine strengthens their claim but I am not an attorney.

Maybe an Ohio prosecutor or defense attorney who is a member here will come along and enlighten us.

(buckeyefirearms.org reports that the GOP is floating Mike DeWine, who would be a disaster, as a possible candidate)

Mike DeWine and his son Kevin are both unmitigated disasters for anything and Kevin is supposedly the heir apparent to become the Chair of the Ohio Republican Party. I can't believe that the Republicans would run DeWine for AG - he lost his U.S. Senate to Sherrod Brown (Mr. Quick Zipper) of all people - but stranger things have happened. I would like to see Ken Blackwell take a run at the office but I think he is focused more on milking the conservative money teat than public office these days; he also has some baggage from his tenure as Secretary of State. Jim Petro has good state-wide name recognition and would be an OK (but not the strongest 2A supporter) candidate as far as his gun record but his abortion views cost him support in the Republican Party.

Mike DeWine! Yuck! Now I will be in a blue funk the rest of the day. Thanks a lot!
 
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Mike DeWine and his son Kevin

Oh good lord, don't accuse Kevin of being Mike's son. Not true. They are distant cousins, but nothing closer in relation than that.

Just my thoughts, but Bob Bennett is still at the reigns. Kevin is doing a good job behind the scenes. But until it becomes his baby at the end of the year, we will still feel the effects of Bob Bennett.
 
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As for the gun bill, groups representing county sheriffs, police chiefs, county prosecutors and officers have spoken out against it, concerned that their safety is threatened by a provision allowing anyone to carry a gun inside a car, with the ammo stored nearby.

Cops who want my respect don't trash the Second Amendment, and especially not in uniform.
 
Some cops are good, some are not. But all have one goal, to control people. Good cops want to control those who break the law. Bad cops want to control everybody so they can have the ultimate power.

We have too many bad cops (and bad politicians).

Doubt that? How about the MD State Police sergeant turning down a woman's CCW application, then telling a buddy, "I don't want her to have a gun, I might want to get some of that myself." Rape, in the interests of public safety?

Jim
 
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As for the gun bill, groups representing county sheriffs, police chiefs, county prosecutors and officers have spoken out against it, concerned that their safety is threatened by a provision allowing anyone to carry a gun inside a car, with the ammo stored nearby.

Cops who want my respect don't trash the Second Amendment, and especially not in uniform.

I totally agree with Standing Wolf and I'm sure Ohio's criminals' are now going to start storing their ammo separate from their firearms.
Why don't these Law Enforcement Agency's realize criminals have been breaking all these rules all these years( or centuries?)
I just don't get it why they,LE, can't get it.
And Jim Keenan,that was quite a shocking,sobering story.
 
I find it ironic that the OHP is silent on gun legislation since Governor Strickland was elected. It seems to me that if they believed that civilian ownership of firearms is such a danger to law enforcement - and that was the OHP's message on any gun legislation during the Taft administration - the OHP would be delivering the same message today, after all, we haven't suspended the 1st Ammendment in Ohio to my knowledge. Maybe guns aren't as big a danger to an OHP trooper's career as someone higher in the chain of command who just got a call from the Governor's office because that trooper dared to speak his mind. Troopers attended the committee hearings but spoke not a word - makes one wonder what else they have compromised their beliefs about.
 
No hope for Illinois as long as the five 'Chicago counties' are part of Illinois.

I trust you are speaking only for yourself. Is it not enough for you to leave the problems behind, but then to insult those who are working hard for change here?

With that attitude, nothing good would happen anywhere.
 
No insult intended. The political reality is that in Illinois the over-whelming majority of the population is in the five counties. The change will have to come in a couple of those counties not downstate.

We don't have that dynamic in Ohio; if we did and Cleveland or Columbus (with Cincinnati not far behind) was the 'Chicago' of Ohio we would be in the same boat. Fortunately for us we aren't in that situation.
 
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