ok 1911 gurus, this question's for you

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First: your comment is FAR from "high road" material.

Second: The gun isn't available yet. It "may be released in the next few months".

Third: It's a Rock Island. I haven't met one yet that didn't need work out of the box. They're not bad pistols, I've owned a few and currently own one now. But they need work on fitting and reliability before they're suited to carry or competition.

Fourth: It doesn't have frontstrap checkering, it won't ship with night sights, it's not two-tone (though they'll probably release a two-tone version after the initial release of the gun).

Basically, you've "settled" for a cheaper gun, without all the features you asked for, after not finding exactly what you want.

Several people have showed examples much closer to what you were looking for than that Rock Island, if you ignore price.
 
Ok, somethin now haters!:neener: makes about as much sense as asking for help on 4 different internet forums and getting upset when they try to help you. JMHO
 
Sounds to me like the OP isn't actually interested in a 1911. From that list of features, it seems that he would be better served by something like an HK45 or a Sig 220 variant.

That, or buy a standard 1911 with a rail and get some 10 round magazines.
 
First: your comment is FAR from "high road" material.

Second: The gun isn't available yet. It "may be released in the next few months".

Third: It's a Rock Island. I haven't met one yet that didn't need work out of the box. They're not bad pistols, I've owned a few and currently own one now. But they need work on fitting and reliability before they're suited to carry or competition.

Fourth: It doesn't have frontstrap checkering, it won't ship with night sights, it's not two-tone (though they'll probably release a two-tone version after the initial release of the gun).

Basically, you've "settled" for a cheaper gun, without all the features you asked for, after not finding exactly what you want.

Several people have showed examples much closer to what you were looking for than that Rock Island, if you ignore price.
Wow.

First: I've read on this forum several hours a day, several days a week since 2008 and I don't need a lecture from you. I didn't use any foul language and didn't insult anybody, regardless of the snobby remarks by elitist 1911 owners (possibly only 2nd to HK owners) so relax and it'll be ok.

Second: You're stating the obvious, which is fine, but I wouldn't post something obvious without knowing it myself would I?

Third, not only are rocks highly regarded as among the best cheap 1911s out there, but I've personally had the pleasure of shooting one at the range and I liked it. Apparently you live next to a giant sign that says "BRING YOUR TINKERED WITH 1911 RIA's HERE TO BE FIXED BY A PROFESSIONAL SINCE YOU MESSED IT UP"

Fourth: actually it DOES have a few grippy lines on the strap as you can see in the picture so that's better than nothing and it has ample rear grips as well which is a bonus. NOTHING WHATSOEVER is said about the sights but if you'd like to enlighten me, please do. From what I can see the sights are clearly a step up from fixed crap GI sights. And like I've heard from literally everybody, getting 2 tone is practically out of the question and I accept that.

Basically I've found what I'm looking for without settling without settling for one of the examples several other people have showed, the majority of which I already covered in the OP and your caveat "if you ignore price" is literally the worst possible way to help someone who is looking for a budget firearm.

Are we done here?
 
Sounds to me like the OP isn't actually interested in a 1911. From that list of features, it seems that he would be better served by something like an HK45 or a Sig 220 variant.

That, or buy a standard 1911 with a rail and get some 10 round magazines.
While I almost went with an HK45 I actually decided against it do to the fact that it's not a 1911 style gun so at the end of the day it really won't have what I want. The Sig isn't something I want, however.
 
21Bravo... just for interest sake regarding 1911 double stacks.. this gun started out as a Springfield GI Hi-Cap. I think I paid about $550 for it. new. Then I sent it to John Harrison where we did a lot of upgrades to internal components, mods, and finally re-finished with IonBond. Now I probably have a little more than $2k into it, which I know you don't want to do. However, one possibility for you might be to acquire an SA GI Hi-cap and do some mods to it.

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That is one of the most beautiful pistols I've ever seen, hands down.
 
Wow.

First: I've read on this forum several hours a day, several days a week since 2008 and I don't need a lecture from you. I didn't use any foul language and didn't insult anybody, regardless of the snobby remarks by elitist 1911 owners (possibly only 2nd to HK owners) so relax and it'll be ok.

Your comments in this thread to people trying to help have been pretty rude and offensive if you ask me. You're right, you don't need a lecture from me... You needed a lecture from your parents when you were a child, to prevent rude behavior. It's obviously too late for that.

Second: You're stating the obvious, which is fine, but I wouldn't post something obvious without knowing it myself would I?
It's not available, hence it's not a current option. Obvious or not, you didn't mention that it isn't available, so I thought I'd let you know in case you missed that one line down at the bottom of the page.

Third, not only are rocks highly regarded as among the best cheap 1911s out there, but I've personally had the pleasure of shooting one at the range and I liked it. Apparently you live next to a giant sign that says "BRING YOUR TINKERED WITH 1911 RIA's HERE TO BE FIXED BY A PROFESSIONAL SINCE YOU MESSED IT UP"

Sure they're highly regarded. I never knocked the guns. If you re-read my post a little slower, you'll see that I stated "they're not bad pistols, they just need work". The first RIA 1911 I bought came to me from the factory with extractor and ejector issues. The second one I bought came from the factory with a loose rear sight and slide/frame fit issues. The third one I bought wouldn't feed with the supplied magazine. The one I currently own runs very well, however I got it used and it had already been brought up to carry condition. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not a professional gunsmith and I don't do this as a job, I do most of my own gunsmithing work and on my own guns - My statement was in regards to new in the box Rock Island Armory guns, not bubba'd, tinkered or otherwise modified firearms. Aside from my own RIA 1911s, I've handled and fired dozens of examples of RIA 1911s, both new unmodified guns and "tinkered" guns ... Not just one at a range one time. I've NEVER seen a new, unmodified Rock Island Armory 1911 that didn't need at least minor tweaking to get it into carry or competition ready status. Your assumptions are amusing, however.

Fourth: actually it DOES have a few grippy lines on the strap as you can see in the picture so that's better than nothing and it has ample rear grips as well which is a bonus. NOTHING WHATSOEVER is said about the sights but if you'd like to enlighten me, please do. From what I can see the sights are clearly a step up from fixed crap GI sights. And like I've heard from literally everybody, getting 2 tone is practically out of the question and I accept that.

Rock Island Armory doesn't ship ANY guns that I'm aware of, with night sights. The sights on the gun in the pictures from your link are novak sights, the same as came on two of the pistols I bought. There are 'grippy lines' on the front strap of the gun in question (as can easily be seen in the images from your link) (Edit to add, there are actually some faint vertical lines that were obscured by the shadow in the picture, I apologize for missing them.)

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Basically I've found what I'm looking for without settling without settling for one of the examples several other people have showed, the majority of which I already covered in the OP and your caveat "if you ignore price" is literally the worst possible way to help someone who is looking for a budget firearm.

If that's what you want to call it, that's what you call it. Personally I don't consider "Under $1000" to be a budget gun. If you wanted a budget gun and not a full or semi-custom gun, then you need to realize that some of the features you were looking for simply won't be found, and your "find" does nothing but confirm that since half of your "required features" don't exist on the gun you settled on.

Are we done here?

I believe so.
 
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If anyone has read all my posts, I don't think I need to defend what I said. I don't believe in going back and forth all day to argue with random people on the internet so I'm done replying to certain individuals who got all butt hurt. I know that from the first comment on, I've been respectful and that's a fact: look at the verbiage I used, patience I showed with people constantly repeating the same things that I went over in my OP and the praise I've given to those actually trying to steer me towards a 1911 style gun that's double stacked, with night sights, tac rail, upgraded trigger and hammer, in 2 tone, with stippling.

I actually reread every single post prior to writing this because we all make mistakes and I'm not immune to doing so. Perhaps I was overly blunt or short at some point so if that's the case and people got all teary eyed and huffy, I am so sorry. Being a little blunt or callous tends to happen when you're a man with a military background, kinda makes you that way.

Out of all the places I posted this, only here & glocktalk have been the places where people have actually tried to make me look bad. I'd say a lil ribbing about JMB rolling in his grave is in order w=for my kind of thread, but starting the whole flame-behavior? Not cool and I'm done responding to those kind of people and their posts. Every other site has had an overwhelming ratio of positive, helpful people. What are people going to think when they google something in a month, a year, 10 years and are lead to this thread and read all the responses?
 
You seem sensative, sorry didn't mean to hurt you feelings, just read this same post on 4 different internet forums I frequent and your responses to some people offering good advice you didn't want to hear seemed a little terse.
 
I'm a man with military background. Its no excuse for lack of manors.

You have never swore, but that certainly doesn't mean your posts have been high road. They have been rude and terse with those who were attempting to help you. Smack talking the high road wont get you any further help from its members either.

The things you asked for in a firearm were unreasonable given the price limit. Your unhappy with that. Well the world isnt all peaches. And you DID settle. Because the link you posted doesnt contain all the features you want. And its not even avalible yet.
 
I'm a man with military background. Its no excuse for lack of manors.

You have never swore, but that certainly doesn't mean your posts have been high road. They have been rude and terse with those who were attempting to help you. Smack talking the high road wont get you any further help from its members either.

The things you asked for in a firearm were unreasonable given the price limit. Your unhappy with that. Well the world isnt all peaches. And you DID settle. Because the link you posted doesnt contain all the features you want. And its not even avalible yet.
Show me where I was rude.
 
Lok for a "new" double stack model to come out of RIA very soon. Don't know what it's got on it, but I've heard it's coming out very soon.
If I wanted a DS 1911, I think it would be a STI. No, they aren't a $1000, but there ya go anyway.
Consider it a lifetime investment....;)
 
Lok for a "new" double stack model to come out of RIA very soon. Don't know what it's got on it, but I've heard it's coming out very soon.
If I wanted a DS 1911, I think it would be a STI. No, they aren't a $1000, but there ya go anyway.
Consider it a lifetime investment....;)
I think I'd end up saving for an STI over a Para based on what you and others have said about them. Gotta at least put rounds downrange before I simply buy one though and there's the hard part. Maybe I'll run into a guy at the range who has one. That's happened with some very cool guns with matching owners.
I can wait a lil bit for a gun to come out that's basically a prototype, that's not a problem. I posted a link for the newest I've seen (apparently yesterday!)
 
Anyhoo, I'm happy for you that you own a gun that I would never dream of purchasing on a soldier/security officer/student income. However, it would be great if you can kindly never bring it up again in this thread.

Rude. You could have said what you did alot better.

As far as the Sig goes, it's not a double stack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again, someone tried to suggest something, and instead of kindly saying thanks but it isnt what im looking for you were rude.

This is just the first page.
 
Try this

It's not a 1911 but it covers most of your grocery list.

Look at the FNP -45 in either the Tactical or Competition configuration. They are essentially the same gun but with different sights and an extended and threaded barrel on the Tac.

You will get 15 + 1 rounds of 45 ACP in a very capable gun for under your $1000 target. I bought the Competition and then did modifications to make it the same as the Tac with the exception of the barrel. I did this to take advantage of the premilled slide that takes a a Trijicon RMR or similar red dot sight which when mounted co witnesses with the tactical sights. I love this arrangement!!

I'm very happy with the FNP even though it was purchased as a stop gap while I wait for a SIG Legend. I'm comparing the FN with a custom 1911 and a very well configued and tuned SIG X-five.
 
Rude. You could have said what you did alot better.



Once again, someone tried to suggest something, and instead of kindly saying thanks but it isnt what im looking for you were rude.

This is just the first page.
The gentleman suggested a gun that runs closer to NEARLY TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS and another gentleman suggested TWO guns lol. Really? I'm asking about a 1911 style pistol on a budget and I get an STI and an M&P/Sig combo? :rolleyes: My responses were appropriate. Had they not been, those guys would have given me an earful, deservedly.
If you read the entire post, not just picked out a line, you'll see I clearly was polite prior to pointing out how out of scope the suggestions were. It started by me writing this "Um.......no, no thank you. I knew there would be somebody who would completely disregard the price, just didn't think it would be literally over 100% higher." and then we had our lil car analogy joking going back and forth. It's RIGHT there and you've read it at least twice.

If I really wanted to be rude, which I haven't been but you're trying to push me because you have nothing better to do, I'd have said something like "Do you know what simple instruction are? It's very easy to do. Learn to read and don't suggest something stupid like a freakin race gun for a guy trying to buy a gun on a budget!!!!" as one of my coworkers said when I showed several of them this thread. Perhaps there's something lost via the internet but when I've talked to shop owners and shooters alike I usually hear the same thing "There's gotta be something out there that's not too expensive". I don't get crap like you're giving me SO BACK OFF!

Dhart seems like a cool guy and him and I went back and fourth a few times having a civil discussion. If the guy was offended he certainly wouldn't have said all the things he did, but here you come trying to kick up dirt like so many internet forum nazis before you. You're really splitting hairs if you think that I'm rude because I'm pointing out that gun after gun after gun that get's tossed out there are suggestions which were either already discussed in my initial post, don't have something integral to the design of the weapon like oh I don't know being a wide body double stack or having a tac rail, or are so far out of the price range that they're simply not feasible and I mean WAAAAAAY more than a couple hundred bucks like the Paras. It's almost like it's an opportunity for you and some of the other guys to say "Hey, these are my guns and I'm going to put them up on a pedestal even though they aren't what you're looking for and while I'm at it your choice sucks!"
 
It's not a 1911 but it covers most of your grocery list.

Look at the FNP -45 in either the Tactical or Competition configuration. They are essentially the same gun but with different sights and an extended and threaded barrel on the Tac.

You will get 15 + 1 rounds of 45 ACP in a very capable gun for under your $1000 target. I bought the Competition and then did modifications to make it the same as the Tac with the exception of the barrel. I did this to take advantage of the premilled slide that takes a a Trijicon RMR or similar red dot sight which when mounted co witnesses with the tactical sights. I love this arrangement!!

I'm very happy with the FNP even though it was purchased as a stop gap while I wait for a SIG Legend. I'm comparing the FN with a custom 1911 and a very well configued and tuned SIG X-five.
I love this gun. Before I decided to go with a 1911 for now, I was trying to decided between an M&P45, an XDM45 or the FNP45. I couldn't shoot any at the time so I put that one on the back burner. Another thread for another year. That's my rule, BTW: One gun a year. I allow the gun nut in me that much leeway.
 
Enough bickering, gang. If you don't like the premise or behavior in the thread - please just ignore it or report it.
 
21bravo..... after reading this thread, i dont think that they currently make a pistol that will work for you. Either settle on a cheaper gun that you have to work a bit or ante up and pay for an sti or something like that. You get what you pay for. Cheap, fast, reliable.... choose 2.
 
21bravo..... after reading this thread, i dont think that they currently make a pistol that will work for you. Either settle on a cheaper gun that you have to work a bit or ante up and pay for an sti or something like that. You get what you pay for. Cheap, fast, reliable.... choose 2.
You are correct, sir. The new Rock is as close as I'm going to get but being that it will be under $1000, be a 1911A2/2011/double stack/widebody WHATEVER, have a tac rail, have the trigger and hammer done, have some lines on the front strap........I'll take it with a huge grin on my face. It's really as close as I'm going to get but I couldn't be happier about the maker, the look of the gun, and the features (although it's been pointed out the RIA doesn't do night sights so I'll need to upgrade those, and clearly it's not 2 tone either so I'll have to get that done. The best part is, RIA doesn't hold you upside down and shake you when you want to purchase a gun and they make very good quality firearms for the money so I should still be able to do the sights and paint job while keeping my total under a G.
 
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