OK...a .410, pump action with rifle sights, where can I get one?

[Maine Ronin]

Tell me this wouldn't make the ultimate pest gun! Squirrels in the bird feeder, hit them with #7. Raccoons messing up your garbage, use a little buckshot. Is there an after-market 870 or Model 500 barrel out there with sights instead of a bead? I'd hate to have to go with a lever action deal just to get the sights but if that's my biggest problem in life, I'll be a happy man.

What do you guys think.
Adam

 

[retgarr]

well I'm not particularly sure why a pest gun has to be .410. It seems to me an accurate rifle will do the trick. That said, there are .410 barrels out there with rifle sights.

 

[rcmodel]

At .410 slug range, you don't need rifle sights.

The front bead will do quite nicely!

rcmodel

 

[icebones]

mossberg makes pump action .410 version of their model 500

one question do you already own a 12gauge? if so look into aguila minishells

retgarr, i think he is worried about noise complaints and pellets going a little too far, or maybe he just wants something diffrent, this is america...

 

[briansp82593]

saiga has sights doesnt it?
edit: whoops that a semi

 

[Maine Ronin]

mossberg makes pump action .410 version of their model 500

one question do you already own a 12gauge? if so look into aguila minishells

retgarr, i think he is worried about noise complaints and pellets going a little too far, or maybe he just wants something diffrent, this is america...

That's pretty much it. I'm thinking I can wack a raccoon without scaring my girlfriend to death in the middle of the night. The neighbors shouldn't be a problem, but why make one. Not to mention I love something different .
A Marlin lever action .357/.38 would do everything a Spanish Destroyer Carbine and probably better. That doesn't keep me from being obsessed with those little bolt actions though.

I think worst case I'll get a used junker and try my hand at silver soldering some sights on, or settle for a 20 gauge.

Thanks for the replies!

 

[mp510]

That's pretty much it. I'm thinking I can wack a raccoon without scaring my girlfriend to death in the middle of the night. The neighbors shouldn't be a problem, but why make one

I remember when I was young, I thought a .410 was loud without earplugs. Just because it's a small round, and just because it might not be as loud as a 12 or 20, does not make it quiet. It will be heard.

 

[BBroadside]

Anybody have any opinions about Millett Shur-Shot sights? They look like they'll fit any 870 with a vent rib, including e.g. 870 Wingmaster LW Small Bore.

Of course, if you expanded your horizons to bolt guns, you could include a Lee-Enfield ".410 Musket". But that's a single-shot and probably much heavier than .410s are expected to be nowadays ... I mainly mentioned it because I dig them, and because I think it would be cool to draw a bead on a squirrel with sights designed in the 19th Century for multi-hundred-yard infantry battles.

 

[Maine Ronin]

Yay!!!11ONE!!!1!

Anybody have any opinions about Millett Shur-Shot sights? They look like they'll fit any 870 with a vent rib, including e.g. 870 Wingmaster LW Small Bore

Excellent job sir! That looks like a perfect solution. Now I have to keep an eye out for a good price on yet another gun.

 

[jmr40]

I've never seen a .410 shotgun with rifle sights on the barrel. Guess someone makes them but I have not seen one. As others have said a sight can be clamped onto the rib and in my experience they work pretty well.

Another much more expensive option would be to find one of the Winchester 94's that were chambred in .410 and came with a smooth bore and rifle sights. They look just like a long barreled 94 but are selling for around $1000 now on the used market.

 

[rcmodel]

Seems to me if the neighbors are close enough to be bothered by the noise:

They are too close to be winging shotgun slugs in the yard in the middle of the night!

rcmodel

 

[Maine Ronin]

Whoa, whoa...whoa

I never said anything about slugs. We observe all safety regs. here. I just don't need neighbors making "gun shots fired at..." calls resulting in cops drawing guns on me dragging a dead coon into the woods. It's to avoid melodrama, not create a false sense of safety. Besides, I wouldn't assume the difference in projectiles would matter. Don't let what you are shooting make you any more sure of your target or the safety of what's beyond it, I say.

 

[Diggers]

I thought mossberg made a .410 HD shotgun with sights but NOPE I was wrong. Bead only. ( I looked)

About the noise....you may want to rethink using a .410 in you yard.

A .410 puts out 150db

for comparison,

A siren is about 120db and a .30-30 is about 156db

So a .410 isn't really quiet at all, the neighbors are going to hear it.

 

[BBroadside]

Decibels are an interesting measurement and I'm not sure I understand them quite right. It's a surprise that .30-30 is just barely louder than .410, but then again Wikipedia says:
"The human perception of, for example, sound or light, is, roughly speaking, such that a doubling of actual intensity causes perceived intensity to always increase by the same amount, irrespective of the original level. The decibel's logarithmic scale, in which a doubling of power or intensity always causes an increase of approximately 3 dB, corresponds to this perception."
In that cases it's a surprisingly big difference ... .30-30 is four times as loud a .410? On the other hand, I've also heard that a perceived doubling of sound volume requires a 10 dB increase.

Given that this thread has .410 as louder than a jet engine, yes, most people's neighbors are close enough to hear that. On the other hand, there is a real difference between a brief popping sound and the steady roar of jet engines. Whether or not the neighbors will get upset depends on how much land Maine Ronin lives on. (Had the OP been named "Manhattan Ronin" I think we could safely bet the neighbors would be upset!)

 

[Flintlock Tom]

You might consider a Savage 22/410. It has a .22 barrel over a .410 barrel, with rifle sights on the top barrel. That way you can "pick yer poison". If a .22 will do the job, flip the switch.

 

[BBroadside]

Hadn't thought of that, Flintlock T! There is also of course the Springfield M6, with the same caliber combo, which is made by beloved CZ, so it must be absolutely perfect in every way.

Then again, the looks of the M6 turn some people off though ... mainly because it looks like a cross between a drain pipe and an anti-tank weapon designed for hobbits.

(Of course, neither of them are repeaters, so they don't fit the OP spec exactly, but chatting about combo guns is always appropriate.)

 

[Gordon]

I wanted a quiet SG for the above purposes and noticed the .410 seemed to 'crack' real good, maybe louder than a long barreled low base 20 gauge. What I came up with was a .22WMR 'garden gun' made from an old Winchester 271 pump by drilling a 5/16" hole down the last foot of barrel. Using Speer shot cartridges with the #11 shot it will roll rats and gophers to about 50' and is VERY quiet.You just chuck in a hollowpoint for the racoons! Still alot quieter than a .410. Marlin made a model 25Garden gun in .22 mag.

 

[goon]

I have no experience to offer on the rifle sight barrel. If you can't find what you're looking for though, maybe you could consider giving a gunsmith some of your business.

Personally, I would go with a .22 rifle and call it a day.

 

[conw]

Just be sure to train. A LOT. You may want to factor in ammo price.

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

If what you want to do is take out the odd raccoon quietly, you should probably consider non-firearm solutions, as firearms are LOUD without a silencer, and silencers are expensive(and illegal in many states). A youth bow ought to do the trick(I say youth because A.) They're cheaper, and B.) They're lower powered)

 

[Jimmy Newman]

"The human perception of, for example, sound or light, is, roughly speaking, such that a doubling of actual intensity causes perceived intensity to always increase by the same amount, irrespective of the original level. The decibel's logarithmic scale, in which a doubling of power or intensity always causes an increase of approximately 3 dB, corresponds to this perception."

The decibel scale as applied to sound essentially measures the energy of the pressure waves. A 3db increase is double the energy. However, our ears do not hear on a linear scale... 3db is about as small a change in volume that the human ear can differentiate. 10db (or a little more than eight times the energy) is generally accepted to be about the increase which results in a sound "sounding" twice as loud.

 

[42]

calls resulting in cops drawing guns on me dragging a dead coon into the woods

I really misread that thanks to british slang. and May I suggest pistol crossbow as IMAO shotguns are dam loud at nite especially if im in the field camping.

 

[give]

i know you have your heatr set on a shot gun,but if you need to get rid of pests why not use a .22?,you can pop a short in it,and i also found out that putting a nipple over the end of the barrel keeps the noise down,souds like someone snapped nis fingers loud.we used to do that with rabbits when they were in the flower garden,like i sadi always worked well for us,