OK, I’m done with it

[Archie]

I rather like the 6.5mm rounds I have already. The .257 Roberts is a dandy as well. I have a 7x57mm for larger stuff. I even have some .30-06 Springfield rifles and a couple 'elephant' guns.
But I have little or no need for a brake. Perhaps a suppressor, but not until the idiot restrictions are repealed. (Can't cross a state line?)

 

[MistWolf]

Suppressors can be taken across state lines without a BATF permission slip

 

[JDeere]

Back during the Ban Armalite put breaks on their AR 10 to get around the flash hider deal. I still have my AR10 with the break and like it as it reduces recoil as it it suppose to. If breaks are hurting your ears get some quality ear protection and you will never know the difference. Not trying to be an a** but I really don't care what the guy next to me at the range thinks. Wait till you shoot the .44 mag blackhawk on the 50 yd line and the guy next door gets upset with his cheap muffs. Go to the range expect some noise...

 

[bearcreek]

But I have little or no need for a brake. Perhaps a suppressor, but not until the idiot restrictions are repealed. (Can't cross a state line?)

There's no restriction on crossing state lines with a suppressor (unless you're crossing to a state where they're illegal).

 

[bearcreek]

I’m done with a muzzle brake on my AR now.

Good call. Brakes/flash magnifiers suck for everyone else around you.

 

[someguy2800]

I find muzzle brakes to be remarkably unpleasant. My father in law suffered permanent hearing loss after putting a brake on his 270 and shooting 5 deer in one day with no ear protection.

 

[someguy2800]

If you want the most pleasant shooting rifle you’ve ever seen besides one with a suppressor, try a krink brake. There is a cone shaped baffle that is screwd in the end so it has an expansion chamber. It’s remarkable how much it cuts the muzzle blast.

https://www.tacbro.com/ar-308-krinkov-style-muzzle-brake-pressure-reducer-5-8x24-pitch.html

 

[David Hoback]

If you want the most pleasant shooting rifle you’ve ever seen besides one with a suppressor, try a krink brake. There is a cone shaped baffle that is screwd in the end so it has an expansion chamber. It’s remarkable how much it cuts the muzzle blast.

Yes, those are forward style. Surfire also sells flash hiders that you can mount either their suppressors, or their Wardon “blast diffuser”. They stare it directs the concussive blast forward. This is identical to the Krink brake.

They do relieve some pressure, although nothing close to what the side port style brakes do. Unfortunately there is no free lunch. All I know is there is a reason that for the last 50 years or more, our Military Battle Rifles have ALL used Flashhiders..., NOT Muzzle Brake/Comps.

Edit: Let’s see if it stays at 50! Guess I need to start taking stills of my posts. Whatever.

 

[someguy2800]

Yes, those are forward style. Surfire also sells flash hiders that you can mount either their suppressors, or their Wardon “blast diffuser”. They stare it directs the concussive blast forward. This is identical to the Krink brake.

They do relieve some pressure, although nothing close to what the side port style brakes do. Unfortunately there is no free lunch. All I know is there is a reason that for the last 100 years or more, our Military Battle Rifles have ALL used Flashhiders..., NOT Muzzle Brake/Comps.

That is not the same thing because the Surfire one is open in the front so it does not have an expansion chamber. Neither of them will operate as a brake or compensator, but the krink syle devices cut the muzzle blast and report dramatically because of the closed expansion chamber.

 

[someguy2800]

 

[Bfh_auto]

I’m done with a muzzle brake on my AR now. I learned what I wanted to using it and am switching back to my old 3” bloop tube. After doing some mods to my gun I went to the range and sighted it in this morning. I tried a new to me load and it’s great. I got it shooting where I wanted it and the fired a three shot group at 100 yards that measured .476” and I quit right there and sighted in another gun. It was a first on this particular load and I will do some more testing plus adding a little oomph and removing a little just to see what happens or if the group was a fluke.


The bark from the brake is more than I want to put up with. I had a cup of coffee in a tall Rtic insulated cup sitting on the left side of the bench and it actually got blown off the table by the side blast. Bummer. I lost about half my cup off coffee before I could retrieve it.

I'm right there with you. Brakes are not my friend. Except on motorcycles and cars.

 

[David Hoback]

That is not the same thing because the Surfire one is open in the front so it does not have an expansion chamber. Neither of them will operate as a brake or compensator, but the krink syle devices cut the muzzle blast and report dramatically because of the closed expansion chamber.

Ok. I would explain the Surefire Wardon is used in conjunction in a muzzle device...not alone..which as a result, creates an internal chamber. I would also point out that I wasn’t promoting it and specified NEITHER would give Braking effects that of a side port comp. I would also point out that I have stated on multiple occasions that I don’t use brakes/comps because they do nothing, and are annoying! Unless you are in timed competition where the difference in a match can be a hundredth of a second!

I would mention all that, except that you already think you have it on lock! And I certainly don’t wish to rain on your parade.

 

[someguy2800]

Ok. I would explain the Surefire Wardon is used in conjunction in a muzzle device...not alone..which as a result, creates an internal chamber. I would also point out that I wasn’t promoting it and specified NEITHER would give Braking effects that of a side port comp. I would also point out that I have stated on multiple occasions that I don’t use brakes/comps because they do nothing, and are annoying! Unless you are in timed competition where the difference in a match can be a hundredth of a second!

I would mention all that, except that you already think you have it on lock! And I certainly don’t wish to rain on your parade.

Im not trying to be argumentative, I’m just explaining difference in function for anybody who may be reading. The one you mentioned is open in the front so the blast goes out the sides of the brake and then blows out the holes in the front. The one I posted is completely closed except for the hole the bullet goes through, so the muzzle blast is captured in the chamber and expands and then is forced to flow backwards and out the muzzle. It is essentially a single chamber suppressor, but the ATF does not classify it as such so you can buy them without a tax stamp.

 

[DustyGmt]

I never tried a brake, always wanted to. I have a GA Flash Comp and it is wonderful, works like I would imagine a brake would. Always wanted to try the miculek style brake just to see if it's really an advantage.....

 

[bfoosh006]

I’m done with a muzzle brake on my AR now. I learned what I wanted to using it and am switching back to my old 3” bloop tube. After doing some mods to my gun I went to the range and sighted it in this morning. I tried a new to me load and it’s great. I got it shooting where I wanted it and the fired a three shot group at 100 yards that measured .476” and I quit right there and sighted in another gun. It was a first on this particular load and I will do some more testing plus adding a little oomph and removing a little just to see what happens or if the group was a fluke.


The bark from the brake is more than I want to put up with. I had a cup of coffee in a tall Rtic insulated cup sitting on the left side of the bench and it actually got blown off the table by the side blast. Bummer. I lost about half my cup off coffee before I could retrieve it.

I am curious, what barrel length and what specific muzzle device ?

 

[doubleh]

16". Cheap round steel tanker style brake found on ebay but very effective at preventing muzzle rise. My son-in-law has a an AR with a plain non threaded 16" barrel and two tables away it's just as unpleasant to me as mine was with the brake. Yes, I wear good hearing protection to retain what little hearing I have left.

 

[Varminterror]

All I know is there is a reason that for the last 100 years or more, our Military Battle Rifles have ALL used Flashhiders.

How long ago do you calculate 1958 to be?

 

[DustyGmt]

Ok. I would explain the Surefire Wardon is used in conjunction in a muzzle device...not alone..which as a result, creates an internal chamber. I would also point out that I wasn’t promoting it and specified NEITHER would give Braking effects that of a side port comp. I would also point out that I have stated on multiple occasions that I don’t use brakes/comps because they do nothing, and are annoying! Unless you are in timed competition where the difference in a match can be a hundredth of a second!

I would mention all that, except that you already think you have it on lock! And I certainly don’t wish to rain on your parade.

I cant speak for brakes as I've never used one, but there is certainly a huge difference in the recoil characteristics between a standard A2 and the BCM Mod0 and Griffin Flash Comp. My dot doesnt bounce nearly as much with the use of a Comp, whereas with the birdcage my rifle wants to recoil up, up, up and have to compensate for the rise myself. Not the case with a comp. I like the report of the rifle better with a comp too, it's more of a dead thump sound vs a loud crack with the birdcage. There are certainly advantages to using a comp.

 

[bearcreek]

All I know is there is a reason that for the last 100 years or more, our Military Battle Rifles have ALL used Flashhiders..., NOT Muzzle Brake/Comps.

Think you might need to re-check your math.

 

[David Hoback]

Think you might need to re-check your math.

It said 50 when I first posted. Someone thinks they are “funny“ changing things. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

 

[Varminterror]

It said 50 when I first posted. Someone thinks they are “funny“ changing things. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

So your contention is that a moderator edited your post, changing what you claim to have originally posted, just to input an incorrect timeline.... THAT is your contention here?!?!?