Old Colt New Service ?

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I have an old Colt New Service .357 with 4" barrel that has puzzled me: Serial # is: 1104xx. It has unusual crossed bayonet stampings(I THINK) on lower left side and something on upper right side, these are some kinda arsenal stampings. does any one know what year it was made? Old Fuff? I took alot of pictures of weird stuff this weekend but have to wait for my son to help me get them out of aplication files to post them.:confused:
 
Ser # range puts that in 1917 Army range, (1917 mfg) I'd suggest it was rebarreled/recylindered with later parts. Check the numbers inside the side plate, cylinder yoke, frame etc.

Sounds like a parts gun, as 357 didn't exist in 1917. Could also be British proof.

Is it marked US property?

Dr.Rob
 
Gordon:

Pending the arrival of your photographs all I can offer is educated speculation. In general, I think Dr. Rob will prove to be mostly right.

England entered World War One in 1914, and shortly thereafter started ordering Colt New Service revolvers chambered in .455 Webley, which was their service cartridge. Shipments continued until 1917, when Uncle Sam issued contracts for the 1917 model in .45ACP.

Most if not all of the British contract .455 revolvers fell in a range from 65,000 to 139,000, and your revolver would fall in this range. I think the marks you are looking at are the buffed-out remains of U.K. military property marks.

After world War Two these revolvers were obsolete, and during the late 1950’s and early 60’s many were exported to the United States as military surplus.

At the time, Colt and others still had pre-war parts, including barrels and cylinders in .45 Colt, 45 ACP, .44-40, .38 Special and of course .357 Magnum. Many people who wanted an economical .357 Magnum purchased a surplus New Service and had the barrel and cylinder changed to their caliber-of-choice. Considering that the original revolver in excellent condition cost under $20.00, and a new barrel and cylinder ran slightly more this made a lot of sense.

If I am correct I would point out that the frames that Colt used to make .357 Magnums, starting in about 1936, were stronger then those made during the 1914-17 era. Consequently I would recommend that it would probably be a good idea to stick to loads in the .38 Special +P or under range. No, you won’t blow the gun up with Magnums (or it’s unlikely you will) but you could stretch the frame
 
A pawn shop near me had one of these reconstructs in .357 Mag. in its gun case a few years ago.

Looked as if it had been dragged behind a truck, but mechanically generally tight with a bit of end shake.

Price? As the guy behind the counter breathlessly explained to me, since it was such a RARE gun, they would let me have it for only $2,700!

Since I've been remineded (repeatedly) that this is a family forum, I can't post my reply...
 
Thanks, that clears up an old mystery , although the barrel is marked "New Service .357" and With the Colt address on top , and the cylinder has the Pony imprint on end, it was indeed made up. It also has a very nice set of King Target sights and a nice Hi polish blue. It is timed and locks up dead tight. I paid $350 for gun thinking at the time it was some sort of 'Shooting master' . I later found shooting masters had 6" barrels. :( BUT the gun does shoot excellently and is very accurate. Well old Fuff, kinda late for that advice about frame stretch. Although I am mellower about my 'tamped charges' now, this gun has digested many a 'blue pill whistler' with nary a complaint. Infact when I had a real hot loads this massive hand cannon with the super thick cylinder was used to digest it! The throat is sooo long compared to my 'whimpy' 5 screw 3.5" model 27! I will be posting a picture of my modest New Service collection soon. I have a ,45 Colt Commercial that somebody Fitzed, a pristine 1917 military, a 38-40 4" , my recent purchase engraved full custom .45acp and this .357mag.:D
 
Anybody besides me think this Colt could be a Kings rebuild? I have seen several old Colts that were hot rodded by King. They are usually still in excellent mechanical condition. I have recently seen a 45 ACP 1917/New Service/Kings rebuild. It is a neat piece of work.
 
Gordon:

>> Although I am mellower about my 'tamped charges' now, this gun has digested many a 'blue pill whistler' with nary a complaint. <<

The problem isn’t in the cylinder. It will easily stand 1935 era .357 loads. If you open the cylinder and look at the bottom of the topstrap by the breech end of the barrel you should see an oval groove. This is called a “fowling cup†and was intended as a place for black or semi-black powder fowling to collect without causing the cylinder to bind. It worked well for the purpose but weakened the topstrap in a critical area. When Colt started to chamber the New Service and Single Action Army revolvers in .357 Magnum this cut-out was eliminated. Occasional .357 cartridges won’t hurt - especially the current “reduced pressure†kind. However EXTENSIVE use of heavy loads has been known to stretch an older frame in the topstrap area.
 
"This is called a “fowling cup†and was intended as a place for black or semi-black powder fowling to collect without causing the cylinder to bind."

What, you mean people had to resort to using chickens, ducks, and geese as propellant?

Wow. That's desparate...

:)
 
Mike Irwin:

Bicker, bicker, bicker …..

Are you giving me the bird???

Fouling = fowling ….. Sounds the same, and the spelling checker didn't know either .....

Besides, it was early and I hadn’t had my coffee yet. And I’m in the middle of a wind storm that’s trying to blow my roof off.

And what do you know about Colt’s anyway?

Go back and hug a .44 Hand Ejector; 1st. Model …… and see if it doesn’t have a FOULing cup.

Darn blasted &*%%. (Blubber)
 
Well my mother used to say that some folks didn't have enough brains to keep their ears apart .....
 
Boy, Old Fuff you never cease to impress me! That 'fouling cup' IS there and I thought it was to reduce the notorious flame cutting of .357. I din't notice this on my other New services I'll have to get them out! Thanks again Old Pard!:)
 
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