Remington1911
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Last used mine on 30 Remington.
Old Reloading Manuals
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Last used mine on 30 Remington.
johnjohn
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I like my Lyman 47 and Lyman 3rd cast.
tightgroup tiger
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I still use my Lyman 45th edition for the older legacy powders like Unique, 231, 2400 and IMR rifle and so on.
Speaking of the 45th........."we've come a long way baby"......to get where we are today.
What happened to Red Dot and why no Herco in either one?
BTW, then and now, different bullet and different OAL. So comparing the amount of Unique or Bullseye is apples and oranges. Not the same.
What happened to Red Dot and why no Herco in either one?
BTW, then and now, different bullet and different OAL. So comparing the amount of Unique or Bullseye is apples and oranges. Not the same.
AJC1
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I've never seen an oal listed in my 45th. I guess they thought you'd use a plunk test or seat at the crimp grove.... semiautomatics not being nearly as popular back then.
For 9mm, I think it was shown as a maximum OAL, which is same as Lyman 50th publishes as SAMMI max OAL now, which then must be implied to have been the OAL used. They did describe the test gun used, and it was an actual commercial made pistol. But if max OAL was used, when you consider the pressure caution warnings about perils of seating deeper than published OAL, that does raise one's eyebrows when you look at amount of powder they were showing back then.
So, is the orange manual where we are today? Because I've been loading 9mm 124gr LRN @ 1.10 with 5gr Unique for about 30 years. Probably tens of thousands through various guns. Runs around 1040fps out of my S&W Shield and I consider it a reduced load. I now shoot almost everything in coated and it's still the same load, it fills the case 100% and it's easy to remember. Fantastic load - one of my best in 9mm. I just recently ran a ladder with 124gr FMJ and Unique and my results were damn near identical to the blue manual - this was just a couple months ago.
According to the "new" manual, I'm well over max, more like +p+, and it's simply not true. I know Unique was reformulated in the past, but I'm pretty sure that was before I started reloading. And I never liked Alliant's data - no start loads and no pressures listed. Speer actually does a better job representing Alliant powders than Alliant themselves?
The worst offender in the "minimum barrel to generate higher pressure data" has gotta be Western Powders. When Johnathan Loubser stepped away as ballistician their data dropped to ridiculous levels for the calibers that I had been shooting for years. The powders did not change. I have verified this numerous times with my own testing over the years using older vs brand new batches of powders in numerous calibers. Very frustrating.
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nettlle
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One thing I have learned about reading reloading manuals is none of the data. contradictory as it may be, is going to blow up my gun. And yes it does get a little confusing sometimes.
I keep all my old reloading data manuals. They are great for some reference information.
I prefer to use current data. For example, I like True Blue for 9x19. Over the years that I have used the powder, Western Powders has reduced the max charge for 115 grain bullets.
But I’ll use old data at times, conservatively, if the current powder/bullet combination is not listed in the current manuals.
Just remember when it comes to reloading, “You all be careful out there.”
I prefer to use current data. For example, I like True Blue for 9x19. Over the years that I have used the powder, Western Powders has reduced the max charge for 115 grain bullets.
But I’ll use old data at times, conservatively, if the current powder/bullet combination is not listed in the current manuals.
Just remember when it comes to reloading, “You all be careful out there.”
AJC1
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The starting load of true blue of 8.8 grains with a 158 is plenty... it's very accurate and the only start load ever, that I didn't keep going. It acts just like 7.0 grains of Unique. I found exactly the opposite with blue dot...
CoalCrackerAl
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Here is a PDF of Lymans 44th.
The words "reloading data" and "contradictory" should never be used in the same sentence.
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