Old school cool in 30-06

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That in itself shows a sea-change in attitude -- which is a good thing. I came of age in the 1950's - 60's, when sporterizing surplus guns was all the rage. The American Rifleman even ran articles on sporterizing M1 Garands, of all things. Nobody would do that now.
Funny you should bring up the Garand - that is one rifle that, in my opinion, is perfect just the way it is. There isn't anything that can be done to improve the weapon or make it better suited for hunting (or whatever). Sporterizing the Garand would be a travesty.
 
That in itself shows a sea-change in attitude -- which is a good thing. I came of age in the 1950's - 60's, when sporterizing surplus guns was all the rage. The American Rifleman even ran articles on sporterizing M1 Garands, of all things. Nobody would do that now.

Yes, indeed, there has been a sea-change of attitude since the 50's. As a teenager, I spent every spare moment at my friend/mentor's gunsmith shop starting in the 50's soaking up everything, up to and including the wonderful smell of smoke wafting from his ever present cigar.:D RIP Werth.

A standard grade Winchester model 70 sold for $120.95 in 1956; super grade 375 h&h could be had for $179.45, either of which was totally above my part time, after school pay grade. 1903's & 98 Mausers were a dime a dozen; K8 Weavers were $48.50.

When Werth offered to "sell" me a 98 Mauser action, barreled in the brand new 7.62 NATO and bedded in an unshaped, beautiful walnut Bishop stock for his cost for components ($60), and to oversee my completion of the project while paying him back "any way you are able, but you have to keep the books", what would you have done?;)

You guessed it,
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In the late 50's, NRA made 1903's available:
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Being a huge fan of the 03, I rushed an order in and received a brand new rifle in cosmoline. Apparently all were not sold & they offered a second round of sales at yet a cheaper price, so ordered another for something south of $20 ppd (from memory). This (also new) rifle, delivered by USPS, was sealed in a tinfoil package!

Years passed, prices inched up, but mil-surp supplies still seemed endless. This is probably circa mid 60's, as I purchased an M1 for price shown from Klein's. Wish I'd had the money to buy an Enfield Jungle Carbine and a Webley :(.
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When the 80's rolled around, mil-surp supplies were thinning, prices were inching up, but 03's and various 98's were still readily available. Over the years have traded several 03's/A3's, the last one, bought from a friend for $200, but alas, those days are long gone. When I shot out the barrel in my Mod. 70 target rifle, decided to build a backup/practice rifle from one of several 03A3's I had, one of which had a bad barrel.

Had the shot out Mod 70 barrel cut, rechambered and threaded for the Springfield, extended the bolt handle, installed a Timney trigger and dropped it in a Bishop stock which I shaped to closely duplicate the stock on my Winchester. Bolted a Redfield International sight and, other than slower lock time and a little "stickier" bolt, looking through the Redfields, you were hard pressed to tell which rifle you had in your hands.

Well, there was one important difference......due to the slower lock time, my offhand shots were always one ring outside my call, relegating it to practice only service, but saving a lot of wear and tear on my #1 rifle at a fraction of the cost of another Mod. 70. Just had to add one point/shot on my offhand practice stages for comparison. No noticeable effect on the supported positions.
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Oh, and to lessen criticism for my "Bubbaization" of an A3, I made a good deal on the 03 wood to a fellow who was restoring his rifle which he obtained that had a sporter stock on it. :neener:

AlexanderA said:
The American Rifleman even ran articles on sporterizing M1 Garands

As the years flew by even faster, they carried my ability to see iron sights with them. Having begun shooting competition in the service with the Garand in the 50's and years after with my own rifle, it bothered me to see it languishing unused in the safe. I had tuned it to NM standards, with exception of the standard barrel, but all alterations are invisible unless field stripped.

As @AlexanderA stated, there has been "a sea-change in attitude", including my own. After much thought I finally figured out how to make a "no drill" mount to replace the rear sight on the Garand that did not interfere with clip loading and ejection, and had one fabricated. Several different optics later, hit on a combination that, while spoiling the Garand's girlish figure, brought her out of the dark and revealed the true accuracy of my old friend, as only a scope can do.

Two screws and about 5 minutes is all it takes to restore the rifle to as issued NM original condition.
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There is something to be said for function, after all.

Regards,
hps
 
Funny you should bring up the Garand - that is one rifle that, in my opinion, is perfect just the way it is. There isn't anything that can be done to improve the weapon or make it better suited for hunting (or whatever).

Forgive me Mark for I have sinned: I had the CMP custom shop replace my old Blue Sky barrel with a brand new Criterion in .308. The rifle still looks the original and the change is reversible -- M80 ball has been way easier for me to find locally than M2.

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Did the CMP put the magazine block in when they changed to 7.62, Dave?

They are not absolutely necessary, but without the block, if and when your op rod spring begins to lose tension, and it will if you shoot it enough, you will begin to experience 8th round jams w/bullet point jammed against butt of barrel @ 12 o'clock above chamber. This will progress to 7th round stoppage as spring weakens.

Had a 308 built on a commercial SA receiver by a retired AMU armorer and it took me quite a while to figure out what was causing that stoppage. The block corrected the problem.

Regards,
hps
 
Did the CMP put the magazine block in when they changed to 7.62, Dave?

Yup -- they called and recommended it, along with a replacement part for rear sight that I hadn't realized was broken. The op rod spring was in two pieces when I bought it and the brand new one I installed has only had about 40 rounds through it.

I was on their waiting list about 6 months, so I figured once it finally got there I would OK anything they recommended. I especially like the fact that CMP test-fires their work before returning it.
 
Good. Got to thinking, they probably would, due to the fact that attempting to load a 30-06 round, either by dropping a 30-06 round in (308) chamber or using a loaded clip and letting the bolt fly, would very likely result in a disastrous out-of-battery slam fire. The block will at least prevent accidentally attempting to load the longer round through a clip.

Regards,
hps
 
Forgive me Mark for I have sinned: I had the CMP custom shop replace my old Blue Sky barrel with a brand new Criterion in .308. The rifle still looks the original and the change is reversible -- M80 ball has been way easier for me to find locally than M2.

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When it comes to Garands, they've almost all been reworked and had parts replaced at least once in their lives, and re-barreling to 7.62 NATO is "within the parameters" as far as I'm concerned (after all, they did make some near the end in 7,62 NATO). Lately I've been looking at the Special Rack Grade M1s that CMP has for sale - with a new Criterion barrel and new walnut stock for $650. It's still a Garand, and probably a fairly accurate one at that. There's nothing "Bubba-ish" about that.
 
When it comes to Garands, they've almost all been reworked and had parts replaced at least once in their lives, and re-barreling to 7.62 NATO is "within the parameters" as far as I'm concerned (after all, they did make some near the end in 7,62 NATO). Lately I've been looking at the Special Rack Grade M1s that CMP has for sale - with a new Criterion barrel and new walnut stock for $650. It's still a Garand, and probably a fairly accurate one at that. There's nothing "Bubba-ish" about that.

I'd do the same if I had the scratch right now -- Garands is fun!
 
i posted this rifle before, but it is one of my favorite old school rifles, high number springfield 3006 that i bought at public auction that had not very much interest and i got it for 350.00. the work today would cost several times the amount i paid.
 

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Mark Mahler said:
I've been looking at the Special Rack Grade M1s that CMP has for sale - with a new Criterion barrel and new walnut stock for $650.
I'd do the same if I had the scratch right now -- Garands is fun!

That's about as good as it gets for a shooter! There are a few tricks you can do yourself to accurize the Garand. I assume NRA still publishes their booklet on the subject and following that guideline pretty well results in a NM rifle other than the match grade barrel and sights.

If CMP offers any M1 parts, might pick up a spare extractor,extractor spring/plunger, ejector, follower arm & pin, op-rod spring and firing pin. That should keep your M1 running and happy for many years.

In 15 years of maintaining a dozen DCM issued M1's for our club, those are the only parts I ever replaced other than sending three rifles back to DCM to exchange due to shot out barrels.

I finally figured out how to avoid replacing the follower arms when they started ejecting clips on 7th round due to wear between arm and pin. All you need is a steel rule or dial caliper, pencil, brass punch (a bit heavier than the one shown) the fixture made from 3/8" square steel, and a medium hammer. VVV
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Good idea to have a new replacement just in case, but that has always resolved the issue for me.

Garands is fun, aren't they!

Regards,
hps
 
Sporterizing the Garand would be a travesty.
Let me see if I can list the alterations that were recommended in the American Rifleman guide to sporterizing the M1:
1. Slimming down the stock to remove the "bulge" around the magazine. This included reducing the magazine capacity to 5. The en bloc clips were modified to only hold 5 rounds.
2. The protective ears on the sights, front and rear, were ground off.
3. Handguards were discarded.
4. The gas cylinder was moved backwards, so that its rear was even with the front of the stock. This involved drilling a new gas port, cutting off the front of the barrel to eliminate the old gas port, and shortening and bending the operating rod.
5. The buttplate was replaced by a rubber butt pad.

This process was covered in a series of articles, spread over several issues of the Rifleman. Later they were gathered together in a separate booklet. I think I still have it around here somewhere.
 
. The gas cylinder was moved backwards, so that its rear was even with the front of the stock. This involved drilling a new gas port, cutting off the front of the barrel to eliminate the old gas port, and shortening and bending the operating rod.

Sounds like a recipe for malfunction. Would not only require a new gas port, it would also require machining three new splines to index the gas cylinder & front sight, not to mention that it takes a very accomplished gas gun plumber to get the right bend on standard op-rods, let alone a shortened rod. Op-rod alignment is critical to proper operation of the M1; that's why the so called "tanker" alterations were so problematic.

Regards,
hps
 
i posted this rifle before, but it is one of my favorite old school rifles, high number springfield 3006 that i bought at public auction that had not very much interest and i got it for 350.00. the work today would cost several times the amount i paid.
What an absolutely gorgeous piece of ordnance! That is art.
 
Let me see if I can list the alterations that were recommended in the American Rifleman guide to sporterizing the M1:
1. Slimming down the stock to remove the "bulge" around the magazine. This included reducing the magazine capacity to 5. The en bloc clips were modified to only hold 5 rounds.
2. The protective ears on the sights, front and rear, were ground off.
3. Handguards were discarded.
4. The gas cylinder was moved backwards, so that its rear was even with the front of the stock. This involved drilling a new gas port, cutting off the front of the barrel to eliminate the old gas port, and shortening and bending the operating rod.
5. The buttplate was replaced by a rubber butt pad.

This process was covered in a series of articles, spread over several issues of the Rifleman. Later they were gathered together in a separate booklet. I think I still have it around here somewhere.
Like I said - travesty.
One of the things that I love about my 1917 is that the gunsmith that altered the rifle kept the original stock and butt plate - which gives me that compartment in the stock for a cleaning kit. The 30-06 (especially a semi auto M1) doesn't have that bad of recoil to warrant a rubber butt pad (but that's just me).
 
I don't know about that "correctly" sporterized statement. Back in the day when the things were everywhere and really cheap the "correct" way was to turn it into a rifle that didn't resemble a mil-surp in any way. I admit many of them didn't get that treatment. I don't have a picture or I would show you one that was "correctly" sporterized back then. The only way to tell it has any military connections is by reading the stamping on it. I built it for my wife to hunt with but she has passed it down to our oldest grandson.I agree they are solid guns. This one even with all the metal that was removed and a brand new walnut sporter stock I built came in at slightly over 9 1/2 pounds with a 2.5x7 scope on it. I wound up packing two rifles on some of our hunts.
 
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When Werth offered to "sell" me a 98 Mauser action, barreled in the brand new 7.62 NATO and bedded in an unshaped, beautiful walnut Bishop stock for his cost for components ($60), and to oversee my completion of the project while paying him back "any way you are able, but you have to keep the books", what would you have done?;)

I had a gun very similar to that one. The barrel blank on mine that got slapped onto the action was the same size as the action so it looked really nice, but it was godawful heavy. It shot well enough, but I don’t have much of a taste for .308. It’s too common and too.... vanilla.
 
I found the American Rifleman compendium booklet on the M1 rifle. It includes the article "The M1 as a Sporter -- A detailed guide to making the conversion" by Ludwig Olson and Raymond Zehm.

I won't go into the details, but the end result is a fine job of butchery. I got the impression that the article was directed at gunsmiths rather than do-it-yourselfers. Considering the amount of work involved (which was a lot), thankfully there weren't too many of these done. It wouldn't have been economical even back then.
 
I recall an article by the late Jack O'Connor where he mentions & shows a picture of one of his favorite hunting rifles. It was a customized 1903 Springfield he used to take just about every big game animal in North America including Brown bears. It was a beautiful rifle with classic stock & really nice checkering. However, I would love to have an original 1903 & if I did it would stay that way.
 
That could be a European gunsmith conversion done after WWII. I have seen some of their work and on a whole is quite good in execution. They usually did military rifle conversions with guns supplied by GIs serving in Europe after the war.
 
'17 Enfield;
After I retired, I spent about 2 years on a Bubba'd 1917 Enfield, US Rifle of 1917. All work was done by hand. No power tools were used. I did all the work except shortening and re-crowning the barrel, the blueing and the checkering. (A mans got to know his own limitations.) Richards Microfit stock (a misnomer for certain) Still has its GI Hi Standard barrel installed around 1935, Dayton Traister cock on opening bolt modification & 2 1/2 lb trigger. Weaver grand slam optic on mounts designed for the Rem model 30.
Pillar and epoxy bedded with its barrel free floated. With decent ammo, shoots about 1 1/2" at 100 yds.
 

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Funny you should bring up the Garand - that is one rifle that, in my opinion, is perfect just the way it is. There isn't anything that can be done to improve the weapon or make it better suited for hunting (or whatever). Sporterizing the Garand would be a travesty.

:uhoh: I've never seen a Garand sporter that didn't look wierd. :scrutiny:
 
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