Old Smith and Wesson

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The "Party like it's 1899" thread got me to thinking about this old Smith I picked up recently.

I have a soft spot for old guns that tend to be overlooked in this day of plastic firearms. A few weeks ago, I responded to an add in the local Armslist for a "S&W .38 special". It had lingered there for several weeks with out of focus pictures and no takers at "$350 firm". I think that one of the big turn offs was it had one of the ugliest sets of homemade grips that I have ever seen.

When the price got lowered to something that seemed more reasonable, I called the seller and set up a meeting. Turns out he was a really nice guy that had inherited it from his wife's family and he had no use for a gun in the lowly .38 special caliber.

After inspecting it and making sure there wasn't any mechanical issues, I made a deal with him and it came home with me.

I knew it was an early gun, but I didn't realize just how early it was until I did some research. It is a 1899 Hand Ejector Target Model that was made in 1901

While there is no official breakdown of the target guns vs standard models, the common number used is around 5% or less of the total produced. Total production was 20,975 of all models between 1899 and 1902. Survival rate is estimated at around 10% of all first models.

So, by all accounts this is a pretty rare gun with maybe as few as one hundred or so left in the world. Even though they are not commonly encountered, they don't command high prices like, say, a registered magnum would.

Still I am happy to have it and it it now has a treasured place in my modest collection. A week after I got it, I was able to find a correct set of original stocks on ebay with just the right amount of wear.

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Howdy

Very nice. Good photos too. I would have been all over that at $350. It's nice to see that the screws are not all buggered up. Nice set of grips you found for it too.

Be aware that the internal mechanism is not the same as the Model of 1905 and all of its successors. So spare parts will be hard to find. Keep your loads light, I am pretty sure that gun was made long before S&W was heat treating their cylinders.

And I will have to look it up, but I am pretty sure there is no hammer block inside, so be careful if you choose to load it with six rounds.
 
Howdy Again

Yup, no hammer block inside a Model 1899, so be careful if you load it up with six rounds. Don't drop it on its hammer. Yes, this one has had its trigger and hammer blued, not correct.


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FWIW, the first style hammer block was added to the square butt M&P series with the Model 1905, Fourth Change, Apr. 20, 1915. The change was not made to target models until June 2, 1926, and to round butt guns until July 1, 1926. This was the first type hammer block, with the block pushed back into the sideplate by a plunger whose spring also acted as the hand spring. (The long time between the change to the square butt and the others was probably due to target and round butt guns or frames having been stockpiled earlier, since the square butt was by far the best seller.)

The second type of hammer block was installed on all M&P models beginning in December, 1926. This was the type where the block was cammed back by the ramp on the side of the hand. The third, and current, block was installed on all M&P/.38/200 revolvers (the only guns then in production), c. December 1944, and the "S" added to the "V" serial number.

Most of the above is from Neal & Jinks Smith & Wesson 1857-1945.

Jim
 
Thanks for the kind words and advise. I am aware of the lack of a hammer block on the early Smiths. It certainly won't be shot a lot, but I do have some 148 grain HBWC ammo that is a very mild and accurate load. That load has produced one hole groups from my K38 Masterpiece in the past, so it should be a good one to check out just how good this bad boy shoots.

I don't think this gun has been abused at all in it's life as the cylinder lock up is tight, there is virtually no end shake in the cylinder and the bore is perfect.
 
highpower

You got a super deal on that vintage S&W Model 1899 Hand Ejector. Looks really unique with the target sights and with the round butt configuration.
 
How bad were the home made stocks?

Installed on the gun, they kind or reminded me of a giant wart on the nose of an otherwise good looking woman.

And just to clarify, I got it for $250 + the ammo and a holster and gunbelt.
 
Congrats on that nice collector. Considering the soft spot I have for old S&W's, actually S&W's in general, I would love to own one like that.

You done good!

GS
 
Count me in on the Sulk and Covet party. Ill bring some whiskey and few Cuban Cohiba's to smoke.

Nice gun. No, damn nice gun!
 
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