On Firearms Safety Training

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The idea of a "class" for the teaching "gun safety" appeals to some people, though it may be that many of them have little idea of what might actually be involved, or of whether a "class" is the best way to go about it. Some of our members have said that all one really needs to do is learn the four rules.

When I was home from college on co-op assignments, I liked to head out to a nearby sporting goods store and hang out at the gun counter. I remember hearing three of four scary tales:
  • The widow of a friend of one of the guys who worked at the store brought the friend a box containing a number of her late husband's pistols. He reached in, pulled out a P-08 Luger, pointed it, and pulled the trigger. BANG! Fortunately, the only casualties were a couple of window panes, a juice glass, some spilled orange juice, and the nerves of a neighbor who had just been raising the glass at the breakfast table.
  • One of the guys who worked behind the counter a couple of evenings per month had two Ruger Super Blackhawks. He kept one for home defense. The other stayed in a holster, empty, and was brought out on Saturday evenings when he would try to outdraw James Arness. Somehow he mixed them up one Saturday. A .44 Magnum bullet destroyed his color television. His wife came into the room cursing, but he could not hear what she was saying.
  • The manager of the gun department let it be known that our living room fast draw artist should not be allowed to own a gun. Shortly thereafter, some new Remington 870 shotguns arrived. The manager took one out, cleared it (or so he thought), snapped it up to his shoulder, and blew the butt-stocks off a couple of Browning shotguns in the upper rack. He took the damaged goods to the Browning shop in Arnold, MO. The guy there said "whoever did tis should not be allowed to own a gun".
I have found a pretty good piece on gun safety, but first let me relate a personal story.

The people across the street were in the market for "a farm"--actually, for a place in the country for weekends, with access to fishing. Their eleven year old boy said that the planned to hunt there. I told the mom that the next time I want shooting at the MO Department of Conservation range, I would pick up something about hunter safety training.

That was misinterpreted by somebody, and the next Saturday, when I put a couple of cased rifles into the trunk and went back in for a canteen, I came out to find a kid in the passenger seat. "My mom says I have to be home for dinner".

I stopped off for some extra hearing protection, and I asked Danny if he had ever seen a watermelon break when it was dropped. "Yes". "That's what your head will look like if it is hit by a bullet".

As we drove on the highway, i handed him a ball-point pen, One one side was the name of a bank, and on the other, the telephone number. I asked Danny to read one side, and then the other.

"How many people did you point that pen at when you turned it around?". 'Dunno".

"Do it again, and pay attention this time". "Did you forget the people in those houses?".

My approach proved effective. I did not get in any shooting that day. I just handed ammo to Danny, one round at a time. The Remington 12C he learned on became his.

Years later, Dan's wife described the ritual through which he put his son when he gave him his first air rifle. He even sacrificed a watermelon.

Now the article. It is excellent. I would add one thing: never try to catch a gun if you have dropped it.

https://gunpros.com/gun-safety-rules/
 
I hate YouTube gun instruction for the most part, but I do think that the manufacturers and/or distributors/importers should make a basic safety briefing video and either stick it on YouTube or house the video file on their own server with links from their website. Maybe it could be part of a 3 video series for each type of gun with the other two being a welcome to the owners club instruction video, and the 3rd being a basic cleaning and care video.
 
One of the guys who worked behind the counter a coupe of evenings per month had to Ruger Super Blackhawks. He kept one for home defense. The other stayed in a holster, empty, and was brought out on Saturday evenings when he would try to outdraw James Arness. Somehow he mixed them up one Saturday. A .44 Magnum bullet destroyed his color television. His wife came into the room cursing, but he could not hear what she was saying.

My Criminal Investigation II instructor, a retired sworn crime scene tech related this story to the class: He cleaned his service weapon S&W Chief's Special once a month. It was his habit after he cleaned it to stand at the end of the hallway and and draw while looking at himself in the full length mirror at the end of the hall. Then he would load his revolver. One evening for some reason he loaded it when he finished cleaning it, holstered like he always did and promptly shot the mirror at the end of the hall, his wife wasn't pleased.

You can give all the training you want, unless you develop zero tolerance for violating the rules you will still have your ND. Sometimes I think familiarity breeds contempt when it comes to firearms. I've seen people who carry and use firearms for a live with decades of experience have NDs.
 
I believe most people know the safety rules so it's not a matter of needing to be taught. People are lazy, distracted, and complacent.

People know eating sugar is bad, driving fast is unsafe, and maxing out the credit card is unwise. People are people though and there's big difference between knowing and doing.
 
I believe most people know the safety rules so it's not a matter of needing to be taught.
I submit that one could take a blue gun, go outside with several novices, handle the gun and simulate plinking, defensive shooting, and reloading, and break each of the rules at least once. Use video. I'd guess that many of the group would fail to notice perhaps half of the transgressions.

Hearing something is not the same as understanding it.
 
I have learned through misadventure that any reasonably complete firearm that might possibly be capable of functioning should be considered loaded and dangerous - even relics recovered from stream beds or the ruins of gold rush ghost towns.
-And any firearm should be checked for loads every time it is picked up or handed to you... .
 
You cannot clear a gun enough. NO boom but close, thank God for the extra look.
 
On the fourth night of our NRA Personal Protection in Home class, a student in lane next to me swept me and my student while locking back the slide. When I remonstrated her, she turned and swept the entire class. This after passing Basic Pistol and three sessions of PP in the Home with multiple reminders of the four rules including keeping the muzzle down range when locking the slide. Constant reminders are necessary but no guarantee.
 
On the fourth night of our NRA Personal Protection in Home class, a student in lane next to me swept me and my student while locking back the slide. When I remonstrated her, she turned and swept the entire class. This after passing Basic Pistol and three sessions of PP in the Home with multiple reminders of the four rules including keeping the muzzle down range when locking the slide. Constant reminders are necessary but no guarantee.
I have seen that more than once.
 
On the fourth night of our NRA Personal Protection in Home class, a student in lane next to me swept me and my student while locking back the slide. When I remonstrated her, she turned and swept the entire class. This after passing Basic Pistol and three sessions of PP in the Home with multiple reminders of the four rules including keeping the muzzle down range when locking the slide. Constant reminders are necessary but no guarantee.
I noticed one long time shooter, because of loss of arm strength, unconciously developed the habit where he would hold the gun in his right hand and use his left hand to hold the slide. That would be OK if it was pointed down range but now in order to get the strength to operate the slide he would hold it pointing to his left rather than down range. Would get upset when what he was doing was pointed out to him. I learned to shoot on his right side until he finally gave up shooting altogether.
 
Last evening, my son swept the other four of us on the line, then turned to walk from Station 5 to Station 1 (Trap) and swept the peanut gallery. I did not see it because I wear blinders when I shoot Trap, but a friend of mine noticed and called him on it.
This was the kid who was mad I wouldn't let him take gun safety over again, because he got a 98 on the written test, and wanted to get 100.
He had become complacent since then. We reviewed the Four Rules on the way home.
 
Last evening, my son swept the other four of us on the line, then turned to walk from Station 5 to Station 1 (Trap) and swept the peanut gallery. I did not see it because I wear blinders when I shoot Trap, but a friend of mine noticed and called him on it.
This was the kid who was mad I wouldn't let him take gun safety over again, because he got a 98 on the written test, and wanted to get 100.
He had become complacent since then. We reviewed the Four Rules on the way home.
He has a point. That two percent may have been the part about not sweeping people
 
I hate YouTube gun instruction for the most part, but I do think that the manufacturers and/or distributors/importers should make a basic safety briefing video and either stick it on YouTube or house the video file on their own server with links from their website. Maybe it could be part of a 3 video series for each type of gun with the other two being a welcome to the owners club instruction video, and the 3rd being a basic cleaning and care video.
You don't think the pamphlet they enclose with every new firearm sold is enough?
 
Safety is like anything else, its a skill set that takes many good reps to become proficient. I don't expect new shooters to remember and properly execute the first time I tell them, that's why I'm right at their shoulder until I'm confident they have it.
 
The idea of a "class" for the teaching "gun safety" appeals to some people, though it may be that many of them have little idea of what might actually be involved, or of whether a "class" is the best way to go about it. Some of our members have said that all one really needs to do is learn the four rules.

When I was home from college on co-op assignments, I liked to head out to a nearby sporting goods store and hang out at the gun counter. I remember hearing three of four scary tales:
  • The widow of a friend of one of the guys who worked at the store brought the friend a box containing a number of her late husband's pistols. He reached in, pulled out a P-08 Luger, pointed it, and pulled the trigger. BANG! Fortunately, the only casualties were a couple of window panes, a juice glass, some spilled orange juice, and the nerves of a neighbor who had just been raising the glass at the breakfast table.
  • One of the guys who worked behind the counter a couple of evenings per month had two Ruger Super Blackhawks. He kept one for home defense. The other stayed in a holster, empty, and was brought out on Saturday evenings when he would try to outdraw James Arness. Somehow he mixed them up one Saturday. A .44 Magnum bullet destroyed his color television. His wife came into the room cursing, but he could not hear what she was saying.
  • The manager of the gun department let it be known that our living room fast draw artist should not be allowed to own a gun. Shortly thereafter, some new Remington 870 shotguns arrived. The manager took one out, cleared it (or so he thought), snapped it up to his shoulder, and blew the butt-stocks off a couple of Browning shotguns in the upper rack. He took the damaged goods to the Browning shop in Arnold, MO. The guy there said "whoever did tis should not be allowed to own a gun".
I have found a pretty good piece on gun safety, but first let me relate a personal story.

The people across the street were in the market for "a farm"--actually, for a place in the country for weekends, with access to fishing. Their eleven year old boy said that the planned to hunt there. I told the mom that the next time I want shooting at the MO Department of Conservation range, I would pick up something about hunter safety training.

That was misinterpreted by somebody, and the next Saturday, when I put a couple of cased rifles into the trunk and went back in for a canteen, I came out to find a kid in the passenger seat. "My mom says I have to be home for dinner".

I stopped off for some extra hearing protection, and I asked Danny if he had ever seen a watermelon break when it was dropped. "Yes". "That's what your head will look like if it is hit by a bullet".

As we drove on the highway, i handed him a ball-point pen, One one side was the name of a bank, and on the other, the telephone number. I asked Danny to read one side, and then the other.

"How many people did you point that pen at when you turned it around?". 'Dunno".

"Do it again, and pay attention this time". "Did you forget the people in those houses?".

My approach proved effective. I did not get in any shooting that day. I just handed ammo to Danny, one round at a time. The Remington 12C he learned on became his.

Years later, Dan's wife described the ritual through which he put his son when he gave him his first air rifle. He even sacrificed a watermelon.

Now the article. It is excellent. I would add one thing: never try to catch a gun if you have dropped it.

https://gunpros.com/gun-safety-rules/

THANK YOU,great read and I for one will say I will NEVER stop learning !

I try to remember that I have a laser in front of my muzzle [ no,I do not ] and what am I sweeping with that "laser".
 
Until we realize that it happens in the best of families, with the best of instruction and the best intention, it isn't real. It is a never ending challenge. Building the right muscle memory so we follow the rules without thinking helps greatly. Everyone has a stake in the outcome, and no one is too ancient or wise to worry.
 
I have another rule that I live buy.

Always check the holster for obstructions before holstering.
 

I guess you don't have to check a holster for obstructions if you don't have a holster.

My only comment, beside the obvious- don't drop a gun- is I can't understand why anyone would try to catch a handgun that's been dropped.

Whether it's a knife, hammer, saw, drill, angle grinder, cutting torch, my visceral reaction has always been get my feet and hands out of the way of the dangerous, scary, falling thing.
 
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