Once Fired Brass Prices

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Bullet and primer prices just keep rising. We did a group buy and got Federal primers for $122.00 a case, and Magtech for $118.00 a case, delivered, last month.

The Berry's 185 grain RNHB bullets that I like the best for casual shooting in the .45 acp have gone through the roof. Even though I have a wholesale account with them, the last ones cost me $135.00 per thousand, delivered. I'm casting more and more of what I need these days.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
I've been buying 230gr. LRN's from a guy in Phoenix for $35/1000, but haven't actually tried any yet. They look great, just like any other's I've bought. He's a very small-timer, doing it for extra cash, and he's swamped.

I've often wondered if I could make a living doing it, with the right equipment. I wonder what all it would take to do mass-production.....
 
A whole bunch of small bullet casting companies have folded in the past couple of years due to the rising cost of lead. They used to be able to buy it for about .50 cents a pound, alloyed, but now it's running them about $1.75 a pound, or more, for alloyed bullet metal. People balk at paying the increased prices for the finished product and won't buy, so there hasn't been any profit in it for a lot of them.

There is a shot producer in Medford, OR, Northwest Shot. He was telling us that the raw materials were costing him $32.25 for 25 pounds at the nearest smelter, which is in Portland. He has to transport it to Medford, a distance of roughly 275 miles, then convert it into shot, and try to make a profit. He decided to only deal in reclaimed shot, which he trades to the clubs at 50 pounds of new shot for each 105 pounds of reclaimed shot. He then sells new shot for around $28.00 per bag, wholesale, which is less than he can buy the raw materials for.

If someone had access to an unlimited supply of wheelweights, and could get their customers to accept the softer alloy (which I prefer anyway), then it might pay.

The other downside is the cost of the casting equipment. A new Magma casting machine, which most of them use, cost $11,350.00, plus about $900.00 per set of molds (it takes 8 double cavity molds per set). The automatic bullet sizer/lubricator is $7,950.00, plus $40.00 per sizing die. These prices don't include shipping, which will be substantial for the casting machine.

I've seen a few used machines on the auction sites, but they go high and some of them have been used pretty hard.

As you can see, making a profit at bullet making can take some time and effort. I know of one person who went into it full time, but dealing with the environmental agency in the state he lives in was enough to make him quit after just a couple of years. That and dealing with people who thought cast bullets were jacketed and constantly complained when they got some leading from driving them too hard.

I view casting as more for my needs than as a commercial venture. I do cast some obsolete bullets for a friend who is in the business of providing those calibers. In fact, I spent yesterday afternoon casting him some bullets that he couldn't get anywhere else. We trade for the bullets, since he also is a gun dealer. When I get enough credit built up from casting, I end up with another gun for my collection. It's a win/win situation.

The bottom line is, I wouldn't cast commercially at this time. It takes too much initial investment and the time involved can be very demanding. And dealing with the public is also a problem, and will only get worse, due to the internet and unreasonable expectations.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
you need to collect more at the range to make it worth wild though. I mean if you really wanted to sell range bras you need to stock up like crazy. All calibers too. I wouldnt do anything for a couple hundred shells. the cost of shipping and the price alone makes it not worth it. Unless you have about 500 or more then it gets to be worth it.
 
Fred
A whole bunch of small bullet casting companies have folded in the past couple of years due to the rising cost of lead. They used to be able to buy it for about .50 cents a pound, alloyed, but now it's running them about $1.75 a pound, or more, for alloyed bullet metal.
Although Lead prices (base metal spot prices) have risen quite a bit in the last couple of years, from around $1,000 per ton, to peak at just under $4,000/t, but has settled around $2,000/t atm.
It's alloying metals like Tin, whose prices have not yet settled and continue to rise. 2-3 years ago Tin was around $6,000 per ton, today it's at $22,000/t and still rising. It even shot passed the Nickel price resently.

Bottom line is the harder you want those lead bullets, the more % of tin and other alloying metals, it's gonna contain.
 
I pay a guy locally here about $3/lb for brass - any type of brass. Obviously the number of brass per pound will vary. I've seen it a lot more expensive locally here - but this guy takes good care of me.
 
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