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As I was scavenging brass from the range I shot at this morning, I snagged any 45ACP cases I could find for the young lady shooting IDPA in a thread about a block over.
While I did get a few, after tumbling everything, (and remembering why, afterwards, why you don't tumble 45 and 9mm together, :banghead:), I discovered about 5 of them were something differant.
They are visually identical to 45 ACP, same apparent dimensions and nickled, but 4 of the 5 were bulged badly, as if fired from a REALLY unsupported chamber, one was good. Headstamp is "Triton" top, "450 SMG" bottom.
Neveh hoid of it.
 
Sounds like a wildcat round to me.

Before Triton went belly-up I know they were pitching their own caliber, I think it was a .45ACP round necked-down to hold a .40 bullet. Either this cartridge really opens up when fired, or someone tried to fire it in a regular .45ACP gun.
 
I don't have my regular camera, will try a pic with the cheesy cameraphone.

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The three on the right are turned to the left, center, and right, respectively, to show the bulge at the base.
 
Still nada? Nobody on this gargantuan website has heard of Triton 450 SMG? Google had no idea, either. And this gun, or at least the ammo, being shot out of a chamber not meant for it, is somewhere in this three horse town.
 
I did a little looking around, it is Triton SMC.

I found this after a Google search:

The .450 SMC
In the later part of 2000, Triton announced a new cartridge based on the .45 ACP case head. The .450 SMC is basically a .45 Super with a small primer pocket. A smaller primer pocket means more brass in the web area, but I am not sure if the added strength is really needed here. There may also be some ballistic advantages, and small rifle primers are not as prone to primer flow in these cartridges. But I suspect one reason for the small primer is to make the round visibly different from the .45 Super.

450 SMC


Factory Ballistics
165 grain at 1,450
230 grain at 1,150


Of course, Triton could have just marketed the .45 Super under a different name, as Garey Hindman has no lock on the design itself, only the .45 Super name. Still, having a visibly different case more clearly separates the .450 SMC from the .45 Super.

External dimensions of the .450 SMC are the same as the .45 Super and .45 ACP. Factory ballistics are quoted by Triton to be slightly higher than the .45 Super.
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Judging from the brass pictures, the next sound you hear will be a Triton .450 SMC blowing up KABoooom!

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AH. Ok, coudla sworn that was SMG. Thanks, guys. Sounds like someone was shooting this out of a standard 45 ACP, and lucky to not blow it up.
 
Niiice..... "WOW!! This ammo is great. You can really feel the kick." Sheesh... I'd be checking the springs if I realized I made that mistake. Maybe they simply reused the brass in a normal 45 load.
 
So it's the same size as a .45acp case? Anyone remember .451detonics? IIRC it was not interchangeable with the .45acp but it was a sort of earlier .45super.

I think the .45super makes some sense. Isn't it similar to 10mm but with a larger bullet?
 
I always thought the 9mm Dillon,.356TSW,9x23Win and the 9mm Action express made some sense as well.

I am a .38super fan so I guess that explains it as well.
 
Yers I agree, totally overshadowed by .45acp in the USA because I can't think of a single .38super gun that isn't also chambered in .45acp.
 
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