One more time, 2 stage triggers...

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I'm going to shoot some matches with an AR I'm "assembling" (John Holliger and Jeff Miller are doing all the heavy lifting!) on my Colt SP-1 lower and
I wanted to get some user opinions of the 2 stage triggers on the market for the AR-15. I have been steered to the RRA by some very qualified folks (as I do not have unlimited funds, they site it's "value"), but I think I would like some more opinions. Anyone out there using a 2 stage of any brand that you'd like to talk up or down? I figure those who spent the cash can talk the trash..The cheapest trigger is the right trigger the first time.
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I think my lower is fairly early (SN: SP1 83XXX with "A1" sights on the upper that may or may not have been original) and I am not sure whether it's "large" or "small" trigger pins, and there seems to be no absolute way to tell except to measure or compare them with a known pin. Anyway that is not too hard to overcome. But any tips are appreciated.

Thanks,
 
Big 10-4 on the RRA 2-stage trigger. It is has a very crisp feel, was easy to install, and has been totally reliable so far. Better yet, it is inexpensive--at least relative to other AR accessories.
 
2 stage match trigger

I have 2 of the Holliger tuned RRA 2 stage match triggers and they work flawlessly.
 
Simple way to tell what hole size your receiver has is to buy a .250" trigger/hinge pin.
If it slops around in the holes you have a goofy Colt oversize pin receiver.
John Hollinger is going to know what frame hole size it is and he can do all the right things to turn it into a .250" hole receiver so worry not.

I have been putting Rock River triggers in guns as fast as I can get them.
They must be popular because the backorders are a regular thing and I order 5 at a time.
No complaints from me or my customers other than the trigger isn't a true "Match" trigger assembly but they are very good and they exhibit no where near the problems than some of the "Match" trigger assemblies do.
 
I love the RRA NM trigger. After I put one in, I've bought and installed them in all my other ARs.

It's really smooth, breaks crisp and has been 100% reliable for me. I've never had one light strike or doublefire, like I've had with other trigger jobs.

It rates very high on the "bang for the buck" scale. I'm sure there are better triggers for ARs, but not at that price. (of course I've been getting mine through Brownells with my C&R discount).
 
I've got the Bushmaster 2 stage trigger in my rifle, and it's kinda hit and miss. It's gotta be kept spotlessly clean and lubed, otherwise the first stage gets pretty inconsistent and gritty. But when it's dialed in, it works pretty good, I just dunno if I'd trust it over the long run or when trigger weight is really important, like at weigh in at a leg match. I'll be replacing it with a Holliger tweaked RRA as soon as funds allow.
 
Another vote here for the RRA NM 2-stage trigger. I got one some time back and liked it so much that all of my ARs now have it. One modification I made to the triggers was trimming the disconnector springs to reduce their 2nd stage breaks to around 1.5 lbs.

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The only thing that rivals a Holliger tuned RRA 2 stage is the Jewell (I have a few). The Jewell costs twice as much and allows adjustability, but if you're only shooting CMP it won't matter.

That's it.
 
The MKII trigger is kind of an oddball though. Yes, it's a very good trigger, if you can find one; they pop up used on the highpower boards from time to time. I've read that the MKII, once installed and properly set, is almost "paired" to that lower, in that it won't readily swap into another one and maintain it's pull like it should. It's also pretty expensive new or used. The Knight SR25 trigger is supposed to be pretty good too, but it's also expensive, I wanna say like $3-400 new.
 
I really like my RRA 2-stage trigger. I paid around $100 for it. It dropped right into my Bushy in ~10 minutes.

I am VERY stinky about triggers and I am very happy with the RRA 2-stage model. The stock Bushy trigger sucked.
 
I have the rra's in a few of my rifles. The only thing I have to do to them is to reset the weight as they do change. I have to adjust the one I use the most two or three times a year to keep them above 4.5 #'s. No big deal. Just be aware after 10 thousand rounds or so they start to need adjusting more often. Thats like after two seasons for me. I might just change the springs out but then maybe not. LOL
 
My RRA unit developed a tendency to "stick" after some dry firing. If I take up the first stage, then release it, the trigger will not reliably return to the forward position. I suspect a little obvious polishing will fix the problem, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Otherwise, in my limited use of it, I give it high marks for a drop in target trigger.
 
Thanks for the input

I think the overwhelming response is that I should go with the RRA from Holliger, and that's what I'll do. At the price, I could replace it once and still be below some of the other options out there. And I understand the reference to "only" CMP - How light can the "Match" triggers be for non-service rifle competitions?

I got my Les Tam Saturday, and I'll just get a RRA lower to solve the size problem (I think I can sell the Colt for a tidy sum to a collector friend who has been coveting it- or not.). By buying the lower, I'll have two complete guns, and I can keep the Colt or sell it.
Thanks again.
 
Match rifles have no trigger weight restrictions as far as I know. Be advised though, someone mentioned the Chip McCormick trigger. I think that's the one that uses external E-clips to retain the trigger pins, if so, this is illegal as far as a NRA or CMP service rifle goes, it's counted as an "external modification."
 
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