Op-Ed on ATF Pistol Brace ruling.

[KansasTrapper77]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/i...-the-free-sbr-pistol-brace-registration-scam/

The link betrays the nature of this article but I thought it encapsulated the thoughts some of us have about this new ruling pretty well.

TL;DR: A “Free” $200 stamp or even several stamps aren’t worth “admitting” to the ATF you have an “illegal” SBR. It is playing with fire (felonies). And there is a very good chance this will get held up in legal for awhile. Sit on your hands.

 

[BreechFace]

TL;DR: A “Free” $200 stamp or even several stamps aren’t worth “admitting” to the ATF you have an “illegal” SBR. It is playing with fire (felonies). And there is a very good chance this will get held up in legal for awhile. Sit on your hands.

Agreed.

 

[shafter]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/i...-the-free-sbr-pistol-brace-registration-scam/

The link betrays the nature of this article but I thought it encapsulated the thoughts some of us have about this new ruling pretty well.

TL;DR: A “Free” $200 stamp or even several stamps aren’t worth “admitting” to the ATF you have an “illegal” SBR. It is playing with fire (felonies). And there is a very good chance this will get held up in legal for awhile. Sit on your hands.

You aren't admitting to owning an illegal SBR. If the brace isn't attached to the buffer tube there is no SBR and therefore no violation of law. You can buy braces and pistol kits with no issue the same as buying short barrels. It's assembling them that's the issue.

 

[BreechFace]

You aren't admitting to owning an illegal SBR. If the brace isn't attached to the buffer tube there is no SBR and therefore no violation of law. You can buy braces and pistol kits with no issue the same as buying short barrels. It's assembling them that's the issue.

Except, correct me if I'm wrong THR; that the ATF will require a picture of the braced pistol to verify that you owned a braced pistol at the time of the change and are entitled to a "free tax stamp" (registration).

So the picture one sends to the ATF with a braced pistol; some peoples conjecture is admitting to an illegal SBR.

Now the ATF being the up front and honest (man that sarcasm left a bad taste in my mouth) organization they are states that there is no violation within the 120 days to get one's stuff in order.

 

[Rule3]

This lawyer has several videos on the subject. Easy to view and very well done.
https://www.youtube.com/@AttyTomGrieve/videos

 

[KansasTrapper77]

Except, correct me if I'm wrong THR; that the ATF will require a picture of the braced pistol to verify that you owned a braced pistol at the time of the change and are entitled to a "free tax stamp" (registration).

So the picture one sends to the ATF with a braced pistol; some peoples conjecture is admitting to an illegal SBR.

Now the ATF being the up front and honest (man that sarcasm left a bad taste in my mouth) organization they are states that there is no violation within the 120 days to get one's stuff in order.

That’s my understanding. Though I’m no lawyer.

I just don’t trust the ATF.

 

[Elkins45]

Except, correct me if I'm wrong THR; that the ATF will require a picture of the braced pistol to verify that you owned a braced pistol at the time of the change and are entitled to a "free tax stamp" (registration).

So the picture one sends to the ATF with a braced pistol; some peoples conjecture is admitting to an illegal SBR.

Now the ATF being the up front and honest (man that sarcasm left a bad taste in my mouth) organization they are states that there is no violation within the 120 days to get one's stuff in order.

The picture is of the gun's markings to include the serial number, since the Form 1 application for braces doesn't require engraving the maker's info (unlike a Form 1 for an SBR.)

 

[Choctaw]

I'm a long time active law enforcement officer and when an agency is asking you send pictures to them warning bells start going off.

 

[Elkins45]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/i...-the-free-sbr-pistol-brace-registration-scam/

The link betrays the nature of this article but I thought it encapsulated the thoughts some of us have about this new ruling pretty well.

TL;DR: A “Free” $200 stamp or even several stamps aren’t worth “admitting” to the ATF you have an “illegal” SBR. It is playing with fire (felonies). And there is a very good chance this will get held up in legal for awhile. Sit on your hands.

I see that the author of that steaming pile of paranoia was too embarrassed to sign his name to it.

 

[edwardware]

TL;DR: A “Free” $200 stamp or even several stamps aren’t worth. . . playing with fire (felonies).

In my assessment, the trap is far simpler than that. Every registration the trap elicits is a success, because that's one more arm that's a trivial administrative step away from being taken away. No detective work, just a name, address, and a work order.

"They'd never!" "They can't!" Brother, you are a waste of the eyes God put in your head if you think they won't, the instant they believe they can pull it off. They reason they can't pull it off is because they don't have the resources, yet. Don't make their job easier.

 

[shafter]

Well the way I see it is that a legal pistol is one I can use. I have no use for contraband that I'd have to hide forever.

 

[KansasTrapper77]

I see that the author of that steaming pile of paranoia was too embarrassed to sign his name to it.

I noticed that as well. And was disappointed by it.

But do you have any counterpoints or just personal attacks?

Because I wouldn’t point and laugh too hard, the tin foil hats have had a pretty good track record in the last year or two.

 

[BreechFace]

...the tin foil hats have had a pretty good track record in the last year or two.

Haha, yes they do. The past couple of years the polish and buffing wheel has come out and the tinfoil hat is gleaming in the sun these days.

Today's conspiracies are tomorrows reality. One only had to go through COVID and Fauci to find this to be true.

 

[wayneinFL]

Well the way I see it is that a legal pistol is one I can use. I have no use for contraband that I'd have to hide forever.

You wouldn't have to hide it forever. You could just file it as a plain old SBR and pay the $200 tax.

 

[KansasTrapper77]

I’ve always had the rural midwesterner mindset. The government isn’t my friend but they’re not my enemy either. We just co-exist. Then a couple things all happened at once. Trump happened, the good and the bad. And Covid happened, all bad. All these things came together to really shatter any respect or trust I had for governing bodies in general.

So to boil my OPINIONS down.

Give the ATF an inch, they’re going to take a mile.

 

[12Bravo20]

The picture is of the gun's markings to include the serial number, since the Form 1 application for braces doesn't require engraving the maker's info (unlike a Form 1 for an SBR.)

Correct!

The ATF is only wanting a photo of the engraving ie make, model, and serial number. They are not requesting a photo of the entire firearm. And the ATF will require a photo for regular tax paid Form 1's if the manufacturer or type of firearm is not in the data base yet. This also goes for when making a SBR with a home made lower you machined yourself. The ATF wants to see the maker's information and serial number.

 

[Elkins45]

I noticed that as well. And was disappointed by it.

But do you have any counterpoints or just personal attacks?

Because I wouldn’t point and laugh too hard, the tin foil hats have had a pretty good track record in the last year or two.

I am willing to make a cash wager on the matter. Are you?

 

[dogtown tom]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/i...-the-free-sbr-pistol-brace-registration-scam/

The link betrays the nature of this article but I thought it encapsulated the thoughts some of us have about this new ruling pretty well.

TL;DR: A “Free” $200 stamp or even several stamps aren’t worth “admitting” to the ATF you have an “illegal” SBR. It is playing with fire (felonies). And there is a very good chance this will get held up in legal for awhile. Sit on your hands.

Op ed from an anonymous TTAG contributor?

 

[dogtown tom]

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So the picture one sends to the ATF with a braced pistol; some peoples conjecture is admitting to an illegal SBR.
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Because some people read TTAG and haven't bothered to read the rule.
During the forbearance period its perfectly legal to maintain possession of the pistol w/arm brace as described in the rule.

 

[dogtown tom]

I'm a long time active law enforcement officer and when an agency is asking you send pictures to them warning bells start going off.

ATF routinely asks for photos of markings and has for years.
Mostly because people don't read directions, follow instructions or generally have a clue as to what they are doing.

 

[Elkins45]

Op ed from an anonymous TTAG contributor?

The firearms community has hardly covered itself in glory through this whole brace fiasco. I recently pointed out to one of the “I will not comply” crowd that he complied when he bought the brace instead of just building an unregistered SBR from the start.

He was not amused.

 

[Tinker-S]

I am sorry for my lack of understanding about the legal issues of this topic, but, if the concern is the possession of something that could get somebody in trouble, and that somebody is not willing to pay for the tax stamp or destroy the brace, why not just get rid of it and be done with it?
Now, if the end result is to antagonize and wait for "the man" to put fine jewelry around the wrists, so be it, but the options are on the table. If I had a pistol and a pistol brace that is readily available, I would take door # 1: Get rid of the thing!
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know I am giving an inch, and "they" will take a mile. Well, like one advertisement on T.V. says: That is the way it is!
Welcome to the real world. (I am deeply sorry if I do offend anybody).

 

[KansasTrapper77]

I’ve just been surprised at the staunch defense the ATF is getting. Didn’t expect that from a gun forum.

 

[dogtown tom]

I’ve just been surprised at the staunch defense the ATF is getting. Didn’t expect that from a gun forum.

You are surprised because you aren't correctly comprehending what people are writing.
No one in this thread is defending ATF or this rule, but explaining the rule to those who have not read it or don't understand it.

 

[Elkins45]

I’ve just been surprised at the staunch defense the ATF is getting. Didn’t expect that from a gun forum.

No one is defending the ATF.

What I’ve been doing is criticizing people for wallowing in outrage porn, and for spreading misinformation. And I’ve been pointing out how silly some of the speculation and paranoia sounds when given critical analysis.