Alimony Bob
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Thanks. That was an interesting discussion of the "half cock" too.
Open Carry Etiquette
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Oro:
Interesting reference, but I've never felt comfortable with Condition 2. To me, fiddling with the hammer seems like an invitation to an unintentional discharge. Cock it, lock it, and leave it alone makes me more comfortable, so it would be either Condition 1 or Condition 3 for me.
Frankly, if I'm going to open carry at all rather than conceal carry, it would be specifically to make a statement or with the intention to have a weapon in a faster deployment position. Neither of those say Condition 3 to me so Condition 1 it is I guess. I expect others to have their own preferences, but I'm getting the gist most gun owners won't be paying that so much attention to that as they would one's deportment.
Thanks for the advice everyone, I think I'm up to speed.
Interesting reference, but I've never felt comfortable with Condition 2. To me, fiddling with the hammer seems like an invitation to an unintentional discharge. Cock it, lock it, and leave it alone makes me more comfortable, so it would be either Condition 1 or Condition 3 for me.
Frankly, if I'm going to open carry at all rather than conceal carry, it would be specifically to make a statement or with the intention to have a weapon in a faster deployment position. Neither of those say Condition 3 to me so Condition 1 it is I guess. I expect others to have their own preferences, but I'm getting the gist most gun owners won't be paying that so much attention to that as they would one's deportment.
Thanks for the advice everyone, I think I'm up to speed.
General Geoff
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I don't see how Condition 1 could be construed as "something amiss" by anyone. And even if it could, my thumb break holster is designed to be carried hammer back.
loop
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BBQ gun time!
Carry a nice, high-quality gun in a presentable OWB leather holster.
Do not show up with a Ruger in an Uncle Mike's and think it is tasteful.
If I had issued the invitation I would expect to see special guns toted in quality leather.
Not having any hand tooling would be a faux pas that may only be forgiven by universal recognition of your inability to afford said tooling.
The gun should be the best you have. Something that is obviously custom would be best.
I would probably carry a very clean stainless 1911 with no manufacturer marks outside the serial number. It would have custom grips and a hand-tooled holster that matches the grips.
But, that is kind of low key for me for a BBQ gun. For a BBQ I prefer a gun that screams over-the-top in a fully hand-tooled holster that matches my belt.
They do not have to match your boots or your hat.
Just wear your best jeans and a nice dress shirt.
Wear your shiny boots, not the ones you wear when you muck stalls.
Around here "high heels" means do not wear sneakers. Wear something with a heel. Something with a spur deck is preferable...
Carry a nice, high-quality gun in a presentable OWB leather holster.
Do not show up with a Ruger in an Uncle Mike's and think it is tasteful.
If I had issued the invitation I would expect to see special guns toted in quality leather.
Not having any hand tooling would be a faux pas that may only be forgiven by universal recognition of your inability to afford said tooling.
The gun should be the best you have. Something that is obviously custom would be best.
I would probably carry a very clean stainless 1911 with no manufacturer marks outside the serial number. It would have custom grips and a hand-tooled holster that matches the grips.
But, that is kind of low key for me for a BBQ gun. For a BBQ I prefer a gun that screams over-the-top in a fully hand-tooled holster that matches my belt.
They do not have to match your boots or your hat.
Just wear your best jeans and a nice dress shirt.
Wear your shiny boots, not the ones you wear when you muck stalls.
Around here "high heels" means do not wear sneakers. Wear something with a heel. Something with a spur deck is preferable...
herohog
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I see a lot in this thread about looks but little real Open Carry Etiquette information. At our VCDL events, when we open carry, we use retention holsters and NEVER TOUCH THE GUN. The ONLY time I have seen exception to this was when a member allowed a member of the media try to remove his gun from his holster to demonstrate that retention holsters are quite safe and you have to know how to use one to remove a properly holstered gun from one. If you choose to rear a shoulder holster, please use a vertical rig as no one wants to look down the muzzle of your gun.
herohog
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"Tasteful" is subjective and depends on who you are talking to. I would assume my long barrel polished Stainless Steel Redhawk .44 Mag with the Red Dot in an across the chest hunting rig could be considered tasteless by some as could an old Iver Johnson in a cheap web holster made for another gun. Heck, a Beretta 92 in a thigh SWAT style rig with 73 extra magazines in my pocket pants I guess.
I am thinking Leather holster with a nice Auto or Revolver; say a blue Model 10 or 1911 in nice leather. Avoid .22 caliber guns (too small) and overly LARGE guns. Mid-full size Autos and revolvers with Iron sites with a good finish (blue, satin or polished Stainless Steel, Parkerized or even Nickle plated perhaps?) would be a good choice I would think. I would avoid any Krylon painted/oven baked painted anything!
I am thinking Leather holster with a nice Auto or Revolver; say a blue Model 10 or 1911 in nice leather. Avoid .22 caliber guns (too small) and overly LARGE guns. Mid-full size Autos and revolvers with Iron sites with a good finish (blue, satin or polished Stainless Steel, Parkerized or even Nickle plated perhaps?) would be a good choice I would think. I would avoid any Krylon painted/oven baked painted anything!
Vern Humphrey
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As more than one man has found out, to his regret.
herohog:
That's good stuff. Thank you. I think I saw the event you mentioned on youtube, where the reporter was yanking the guy's pants around by his gun.
I actually have an ancient Iver Johnson and some other hex barreled 5 shot .38 shorty my grandfather used to carry more than 80 years ago. It's something I keep in a box with some of his effects.
I'm planning to wear my Auto Ordnance "WWII Parkerized" 1911 because I think it looks classier than my XD compact. Maybe one day I'll consider getting something more for show, but that's all I have right now. Probably going to go for that Glaco Gladius, I just like the minimalist pattern/thumb break better.
I'm a bit of an artist, perhaps one day I'll come up with some scrollwork that would fit on a 1911. That would be an interesting canvas for personal expression.
That's good stuff. Thank you. I think I saw the event you mentioned on youtube, where the reporter was yanking the guy's pants around by his gun.
I actually have an ancient Iver Johnson and some other hex barreled 5 shot .38 shorty my grandfather used to carry more than 80 years ago. It's something I keep in a box with some of his effects.
I'm planning to wear my Auto Ordnance "WWII Parkerized" 1911 because I think it looks classier than my XD compact. Maybe one day I'll consider getting something more for show, but that's all I have right now. Probably going to go for that Glaco Gladius, I just like the minimalist pattern/thumb break better.
I'm a bit of an artist, perhaps one day I'll come up with some scrollwork that would fit on a 1911. That would be an interesting canvas for personal expression.
I think this guy sums it up nicely:
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/03/court-guns-and-bbq-guns.html
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/03/court-guns-and-bbq-guns.html
travellingJeff
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The only thing I ask of anyone carrying a firearm is that they don't discharge it in my presence, unless it's at a range or in legitimate defense.
I wouldn't think of asking "permission" to carry in someone's home any more than I'd expect them to ask me "permission" to pray silently in mine, or to wear purple socks, or chew bubblegum. Of course, that's for invited guests. Random, unknown, shower-uppers, might be asked to allow me to secure their firearm or vacate the premises.
I've OC'ed (with a sports jacket removed) in five star dining establishments, I've OC'ed in blue-jeans and horse-poop covered boots in dive bars. I believe it's a man's job to behave as a gentleman and I do as such. If I'm ever asked to leave for carrying, I will. I don't believe in coarse language around ladies, so I don't need to concern myself with that. I don't believe in immoderate use of alcohol, so it's not a big deal. I also don't believe in bullying, posturing, or starting confrontations simply because I've got the "end-to-all-arguments" riding on my hip.
Be a polite, courteous gentleman, as you always should be.
But be ready to draw and kill at a moments notice, if you must.
Hope this helps.
Also, if you want to see what OC is like, get to a OC dinner, trash pickup or general hang out.
I wouldn't think of asking "permission" to carry in someone's home any more than I'd expect them to ask me "permission" to pray silently in mine, or to wear purple socks, or chew bubblegum. Of course, that's for invited guests. Random, unknown, shower-uppers, might be asked to allow me to secure their firearm or vacate the premises.
I've OC'ed (with a sports jacket removed) in five star dining establishments, I've OC'ed in blue-jeans and horse-poop covered boots in dive bars. I believe it's a man's job to behave as a gentleman and I do as such. If I'm ever asked to leave for carrying, I will. I don't believe in coarse language around ladies, so I don't need to concern myself with that. I don't believe in immoderate use of alcohol, so it's not a big deal. I also don't believe in bullying, posturing, or starting confrontations simply because I've got the "end-to-all-arguments" riding on my hip.
Be a polite, courteous gentleman, as you always should be.
But be ready to draw and kill at a moments notice, if you must.
Hope this helps.
Also, if you want to see what OC is like, get to a OC dinner, trash pickup or general hang out.
Things may be different in different parts of the country/world, but around here, you NEVER clear leather in a social setting. There is no such thing as "show and tell" with guns. I never see anyone take a gun out of its holster unless they're at the safety table or on the line. At dinner? NEVER.
I've seen folks take a holster off... with a gun in it... to show off the holster/carry rig a little better, but you don't take the gun out. It just isn't done - for good reason.
I've seen folks take a holster off... with a gun in it... to show off the holster/carry rig a little better, but you don't take the gun out. It just isn't done - for good reason.
Gungle George
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Well, if it was me, I'd break out the BBQ gun
Cheers,
Gungle George
Cheers,
Gungle George
Gungle George
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Oh, by the way, that's a Tucker Gun Leather rig. I'm waiting on mine.
Cheers,
Gungle George
Cheers,
Gungle George
herohog
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That's class Domina. As to the Iver Johnson, Keep it, love it and show it to everyone you can and let them know why it will always be special to you. Myself, I have a FIE Titan II I will always cherish because of the man who gave it to me. There's personal value then there is commercial value. Sometimes it is the history that makes a thing special and of interest.
shibby
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LOL at guns becoming fashion statements.
Its a slippery slope.
Its a slippery slope.
farscott
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Here is my BBQ gun. The first two pictures show it finished. The next seven are in the white. It is a full-house Harrison built on a Caspian frame and slide.
It gets carried in the Sparks holster on the right side of this picture.
It gets carried in the Sparks holster on the right side of this picture.
Mainsail
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Well, you could just get super lucky and the person who sent the invite might read this thread, or you could just ASK THEM YOURSELF.
Mainsail:
Aw you had to go there didn't you. True enough, but there will be more people present than the organizer, each with their own tastes. I was interested in the broader perspective this community provides.
Farscott:
That's attractive and simple, I like it.
Gungle George:
Now that is sharp. I had never heard of the "BBQ Gun" before. On the one hand I have a hard time imagining having a gun just for show, but on the other hand there's a certain flavor of civilization and refinement that the BBQ embodies that gives it a sort of irresistable charm in my view.
Aw you had to go there didn't you. True enough, but there will be more people present than the organizer, each with their own tastes. I was interested in the broader perspective this community provides.
Farscott:
That's attractive and simple, I like it.
Gungle George:
Now that is sharp. I had never heard of the "BBQ Gun" before. On the one hand I have a hard time imagining having a gun just for show, but on the other hand there's a certain flavor of civilization and refinement that the BBQ embodies that gives it a sort of irresistable charm in my view.
Gungle George
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Domina,
I don't know about the rest of the country, but in New Mexico and Texas when you put on a BBQ at the ranch most everyone shines up their nicest pistols and best rig to show off to all the other cowboys. There might even be some friendly shooting going on. But that's the way it's always been here.
Cheers,
Gungle George
I don't know about the rest of the country, but in New Mexico and Texas when you put on a BBQ at the ranch most everyone shines up their nicest pistols and best rig to show off to all the other cowboys. There might even be some friendly shooting going on. But that's the way it's always been here.
Cheers,
Gungle George
I thought the "go in heels" comment referred to heeled shoes. The OP's handle is Domina, not Dominus, the female form of master.
In that case, I agree for a woman, unless it was outdoors. Otherwise I think I would agree to get a nice leather holster. I think the idea of a shoulder rig is great for a woman open carrying. Obviously, and thankfully, women's hips are shaped differently and OWB wouldn't be as flattering. For men and as a default an OWB rig with possibly patterns and exotic leather like gunkle george's would be great.
In that case, I agree for a woman, unless it was outdoors. Otherwise I think I would agree to get a nice leather holster. I think the idea of a shoulder rig is great for a woman open carrying. Obviously, and thankfully, women's hips are shaped differently and OWB wouldn't be as flattering. For men and as a default an OWB rig with possibly patterns and exotic leather like gunkle george's would be great.
Cheers George, you threw me for a loop and had me thinking I had maybe sleep posted to this thread
I read this thread hoping to get an answer to a question I have had since getting that rig. It's kinda on topic and since you were so kind to show off my rig as a good example of a BBQ rig you opened the door for me to ask it here.
Being from WI. the only occasion I have to wear that rig out of the house, is in fact private BBQ's or organized open carry picnic's, walks, ETC. Would it be wise for me to wear such a non retention holster to said picnics or walks?
Mst. Chief
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dress nice, pressed pants, fresh shirt, clean shave...
shiniest pistol holstered in yer beltline in the most formal way
shiniest pistol holstered in yer beltline in the most formal way
How about you just dress like you normally do but tuck your shirt and don't wear an overcoat that would cover your gun. Thus defeating the whole open carry idea. Who cares what kind of holster you have. I use plastic holster for plastic guns like the Glock or XD and leather holsters for metal guns like the 1911 and the Beretta 92 and clones.
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