Orange County sheriff taking away hundreds of CCWs

[The Bushmaster]

Vintage Slotcars...I used to be a 20 year resident of southern USSR of C. I spent 22 years in the service of my country. I have spent 20 years working for a Navy contractor for NAVSEA (ESSM) and have no felony record and haven't been stopped for a traffic violation in over 30 years. I couldn't get a CCW in the USSR of C...Your lady sheriff is WRONG...

 

[MarkDido]

"The Department has determined that your identified risk does not meet the good cause threshold as required under the new CCW policy based upon the information you provided. As a result of this determination, the Department's present intention is to revoke your CCW license," reads the form letter sent out this month.

"The XXXXX Insurance Company has decided to cancel both your auto and homeowners insurance due to the fact that you can not provide concrete evidence on what day you will get into an car accident or on what day your house will catch on fire"

 

[Quiet]

... USSR of C...

The most common derogatory term for California is the PRC (People's Republic of California).
This is because California is more of a Maoist socialist state than a Marxist socialist state.
Please use the correct term when describe your disgust for California.
Other usages that would be okay... PRK (People's Republic of California) & DRPK (Democratic People's Republic of California).

 

[Frog48]

"The XXXXX Insurance Company has decided to cancel both your auto and homeowners insurance due to the fact that you can not provide concrete evidence on what day you will get into an car accident or on what day your house will catch on fire"

Haha, thats brilliant.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Thanks Quiet...I'll have to remember that. Of course It may have become a habit. I've been calling the USSR of C that for the last 40 years...And to you too...

 

[M203Sniper]

Revoking permits based on political connection is better somehow than granting permits? What a joke.

She was supposed to clean OC California up not drag it down. Another Liberal Mucking things up with misguided opinions and too much authority.

 

[Quiet]

The interm Sheriff was a former LAPD Division Chief and many of her changes to "clean up" the Orange County Sheriff Department comes from LAPD doctrine.

 

[BigBlock]

Can't we just give california back to mexico? At least the government would be better then. :banghead:

 

[Quiet]

Can't we just give california back to mexico? At least the government would be better then.

Mexico has more restrictive gun and civil rights laws than the USA and Canada.

There are several groups in the USA; such as Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán), and the Nation of Aztlán (NOA); that advocate the return of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas back to Mexico. Maybe you should join them.

 

[nalioth]

It would appear from reading the artical that only the wealthy were given permits.

Don't forget the felon(s) that got one, too.

Googling "Mike Carona" will shed some more light on this.

 

[Shung]

He received the reply that he did not show that the threat was specified towards HIM, and was therefore not eligible for a permit. I suppose they would prefer to want until someone not only shoots at you, but also hits you, before the clear and present danger to your life and limb is confirmed.

this is exactly what we are forced to live with in Switzerland since 1999 ... before that, carrying was legal and possible in most of the country.

KEEP FIGHTING for your rights before it's too late.

 

[Zoogster]

There are several groups in the USA; such as Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán), and the Nation of Aztlán (NOA); that advocate the return of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas back to Mexico. Maybe you should join them.

Which is funny because most of them advocate it as some sort of native heritage thing, when in fact those areas were not part of the Aztecs or Mayans those groups associate themselves with.

Some of those were areas merely claimed by New Spain (Mexico) and very lightly inhabited by Catholic missions. Others like Texas of course fought for thier independence before even joining the Union.


The Pope issued a papal edict that all of the Americas belonged to Spain and Portugal, but neither ever actualy inhabited most of the continents, merely felt they owned it and created borders on maps.
They then got around to exploring what they 'owned' and installed missionaries in some places.
They technicaly 'legaly' owned everything in the Western Hemisphere based on the international edict of the Pope. So Spain claimed whatever they felt they could get away with, even some areas they had not been.


So the great irony there is people belonging to movements primarily associated with heritage of Mexican tribes like the Aztecs are calling for a return to the borders merely claimed or conquered by the people that enslaved and killed them off, the Spainiards.


The real reason though is of course they don't really want them returned to the nation they left, they are just movements to create sympathy from others and a feeling of racial pride and economic entitlement in American politics.
You can be sure if they really were 'returned' to Mexico, many of the same people would be crossing the new borders to live in the smaller USA.
Just politics.

 

[bcp]

Mexico has more restrictive gun and civil rights laws than the USA and Canada.

I think they have the constitutional right but it has been regulated, restricted, and lawed out of existence. Everything after the word "except" cancels out the first part.

Article 10. The inhabitants of the United Mexican States are entitled to have arms of any kind in their possession for their protection and legitimate defense, except such as are expressly forbidden by law, or which the nation may reserve for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, or National Guard; but they may not carry arms within inhabited places without complying with police regulations.

 

[Librarian]

I seem unable to locate her reasoning on the legal authority to revoke existing permits, barring improper action by the holders.

Since CA is may-issue, not renewing is at least legal on its face.

 

[BigBlock]

Mexico has more restrictive gun and civil rights laws than the USA and Canada.

Yeah...more restrictive than the USA...but California? I'm pretty sure next they're going to ban all guns without catalytic converters....

 

[nalioth]

I seem unable to locate her reasoning on the legal authority to revoke existing permits, barring improper action by the holders.

Because they were issued illegally. C'mon, the sheriff issued a CWP to a FELON.

A guy a few years ago decided to make money by taking CDL tests for wanna-be truck drivers. He took many tests for others, and one of his customers killed some people with his truck. After they found the test-taking businessman and found out all the people he'd tested for, they yanked all those licenses.

This is the same deal, they're not pulling ALL the licenses, just the ones issued by Sheriff Carona

 

[contenderman]

The present antics out there don't come as a big surprise to me.

People talk about how tough NYC is for getting a permit, and relatively speaking they would be right. However, if you consider the population of NYC -vs- number of permits ("favors") granted, then do the same thing for Orange County.

Would you be surprised if OC turned out to be worse.

 

[red headed stranger]

Because they were issued illegally. C'mon, the sheriff issued a CWP to a FELON.

Many non-felons have had their permits revoked. If they want to revoke the felons permits, they can easily do that though quick NCIC checks.

This is the same deal, they're not pulling ALL the licenses, just the ones issued by Sheriff Carona

Considering that Carona had been Sheriff for a long time, that makes it a very large number. Surely you don't beleive that they are all felons?

There seems to be a lot of misinformation about how people got permits in OC. You generally made a statement about why you needed to carry. Transporting high value goods was an acceptable answer. These goods could include your guns. There are people who simply said "I need to protect my guns going to and from the range," and they were issued permits. No large contributions or back-scratching required.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next election. It is widely believed that Carona was elected due to his promise to loosen restrictions on permits. The current Sheriff has been very public about saying that carrying a gun is "not necessary" in most of Orange County because it is safe. One of her quotes was something along the lines of "I don't even carry all the time, so what's the problem."

That said, Carona really mucked things up by his corrupt practices in other areas. His corruption is being used as an excuse to undue his largely pro-gun policies.

 

[TexasRifleman]

What starts in California contaminates the rest of the country.

No, it doesn't. Been hearing that for years.

 

[230RN]

...submitted a thesis to the county sheriff as to why he should be issued a permit to carry. Specifically, that he was living in Salinas, a city with the highest concentration of gang members in the nation. He received the reply that he did not show that the threat was specified towards HIM, and was therefore not eligible for a permit.

The solution is obvious: join a gang.

"The XXXXX Insurance Company has decided to cancel both your auto and homeowners insurance due to the fact that you can not provide concrete evidence on what day you will get into an car accident or on what day your house will catch on fire"

Very cutting, MarkDido. Very cutting, indeed.

Can't we just give california back to mexico? At least the government would be better then.

Mexico has more restrictive gun and civil rights laws than the USA and Canada.

True, true, but it has fewer Electoral Votes.

 

[Sir Aardvark]

I'm waiting to see if my permit gets yanked - I'm a business owner so I might be safe... but what happens if the new sheriff decides that I'm not the "right kind" of business owner???

 

[Zoogster]

What starts in California contaminates the rest of the country.

No, it doesn't. Been hearing that for years.

It does. Take some firearm models that used to be better no longer available due to the CA market. The Ruger MKII for example was much better than the MKIII, but because of CA they created a single model they could sell to the entire market.
The same can be said for other firearm models that have a smaller market because they cannot be sold in CA, and similar states. If other states follow suite you end up with various small markets, which increases the cost of firearms because they cannot be massed produced the same way for a single giant market, unless they are a type that follows the laws of the entire market.


Assault weapon bans started up in places like CA. CA senators were then key in drafting them for the entire nation a short time after. That was almost permanent, and only went away because it had a sunset provision.

The same will go for cartridge tagging etc If a big segment of the market requires a firearm that partialy ruin and imbed a number in ejected brass, many models without that will fade away. Some cities and PDs in states without it might require it to better track officer involved shootings or some other imagined benefit, and the plague spreads.
Eventualy politicians are citing it as a good idea in other parts of the nation.
If such technology results in a need to restrict the parts of a firearm that are involved in the markings created, a free market in barrels, ejectors, slides etc could shrink. Things like aftermarket barrels, and conversion barrels with already a small market could have such a reduced market they disappear.

Many smaller gun makers that cannot afford to retool simply make less profit, have a smaller market, or disappear.
So you have less overall variety, and at higher prices even in a free state. Plus national level restrictions inspired from state ones.


So even when something only stays law in CA it effects others. However it often inspires other politicians elsewhere to try to infringe in similar ways. It sets a precedent of infringement.

 

[mgregg85]

That sucks but is anyone surprised, this is california. I hope it changes but I won't hold my breath waiting.

 

[Catherine]

I think that someone should DISARM this sheriff (?!?).

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Disarm anyone who wants to THROW their authority around to the mere serfs, errr, citizens who PAY their salary, bennies and retirement! Get the control freaks before they do more harm, eh?

THINK it will work?

If the Sheriffs don't abide by the SECOND along with all of the other powers that be... they need to take a HIKE!

Sounds like a NWO control freak to me. Those control freaks come in all political flavors aka parties.

Catherine
END the Fed!

 

[TAB]

in my county, the only way you can get a CCW is, be a "friend" of the sherrif... you like like giving him large ammounts of cash for his "relection fund" The last sheriff here gave away several to people that were not even aloud to own guns... but you know its funny, they all were biz partners of him or inlaws... strange. The new sheriff was the under sheriff, the number of CCW holders in sac county has gone down since he took office. When I lived in placer county, being a small biz owner that some times deals in large ammounts of cash was more then enough.