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Ordering Handgun before 21

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Chris68, Apr 2, 2019.

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  1. Chris68

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    Hey guys so currently I'm 20 turning 21 in October and I'm trying to get all my preparations around for buying my first handgun, a problem I've run into is that I'm looking at getting a Walther PPQ M2 but none of the local gun stores carry them that I've seen. My question is would I be able to go into the store and ask them if the could get one ordered in a week before my b-day and I could go pay for it and pick it up on my birthday? Thank you in advance for any help you all can provide.
     
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    I don't know where you are located but in my state one can have a parent purchase a handgun and it is permissible to be possessed by an 18+ year old. Under 18 and one needs a written letter permitting the possession. Something to look into, maybe your state will allow a parent to purchase and you to possess.

    Another option being that you're young and I was younger once is to just be patient. On your birthday you can just order for yourself your Walther and have it to an FFL within a few days from an online vendor. What you are trying to do is only going to save you a week of time with your handgun.
     
  3. Chris68

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    I'm up in PA really the only thing like that that I can think of would be similar to my sportsmans permit where I can carry a handgun while hunting, fishing or at a firing range. I may end up just doing what you said and order it to a FFL and just wait those few days
     
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    It depends on your LGS.

    The one I like to use wants payment up front when the item is ordered. Thus since money has changed hands that makes it a purchase.

    If you have a good relationship with a LGS who is willing to order your gun without any money or deposit such as credit card or contract then I don’t believe it would be considered a sale.

    I guess a lawyer on the line would argue that a verbal request is a sale but verbal agreements are not usually held up by the Courts as the intent may change.
     
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    Most FFLs I'm aware of wi allow that. As long as the back ground check isn't done & you don't take possession of the pistol until your birthday, it's not a big deal, unless there is some local law at your location.
     
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    Thanks for the info guys I'll talk to the FFL I normally buy from worst case scenario they say no
     
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    I am 64 years old, and I was 20 when I "purchased" my first new handgun. I paid the LGS for the gun, and the owner held it back for me until my birthday. I am still buying guns from the same store and same store owner 44 years and many, many guns later...

    Times were different then.

    BOARHUNTER
     
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    What county are you in? I'm in Lackawanna county who has a reasonable gun friendly sheriff. Go to the sheriffs office before your birthday and pick up the paperwork for your LTCF. ( check self defense on line #28)

    On your birthday go get your license and you can carry your gun home any way you want from the store.

    As for ordering the gun early, I'm not sure. Your local FFL will know that answer. I can't see you not being able to order the gun before you are 21 and picking it up on your birthday. Pick up your LTCF and then your handgun.

    Have a happy birthday.
     
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    Buds Gun Shop has them, I recommend the M1.
     
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    The law doesn't prohibit the "ordering" of the gun, nor does it specifically prohibit the "paying for" it. It prohibits the "transferring" of the gun by the dealer to the buyer if the buyer is under 21 (and/or otherwise prohibited.) So, if the dealer wishes to, he can take your order (and your money),but cannot hand over the gun until you turn 21.
     
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    Not to sound completely ignorant but what are the differences between the two?
     
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    I'm over in Lycoming county. I haven't really spoken to my county sheriff before, last time I called in it was about my sportsmans permit and his secretary just kinda blew me off when I mentioned a handgun and that I was 18(at the time I was trying to apply for my permit)
     
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    Not at all, the M1 has a paddle mag release on the trigger guard. After shooting just a few mags through mine I was wishing all my pistols had it.


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    I'll have to look into, I'm not completely die hard set on the M2 I just know for my first I want to get a Walther and the M2 was just the first one that I saw and after doing some research on it found that it could do almost everything I need it to.
     
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    I'm very happy with my M1. It's big enough for lots of range shooting and, for me, not to big to carry. The M2 would be fine too but I really like the paddle release.
     
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    I looked into the M1 and the only thing that put me off was that from what I could find it's only available in a 9mm? One of the things I liked about the M2 was I could get it in a .45 acp which I know is kinda big for cc but its been a caliber that I've loved since my dad first got me into guns as a kid.
     
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    Never handled a PPQ in 45 but looking at the specs it's not that much larger than the 9. I like 45's and that would be a nice shooter. I shoot more 9mm because it's economical and that's usually the brass that is littering the patio already.
     
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    You are not too far to the west of me. Instead of calling go into the sheriff's office and while picking up the paperwork you can ask questions face to face. People usually have a better demeanor when dealing with someone in person.
     
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    At the time I was just trying to find out everything I needed to know about a sportsmans permit especially with how to explain to an officer if I got pulled over how and why I was able to have a handgun in the car while being under 21 without having to make a special trip to his office
     
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    To help with getting the 45 I have a couple boxes already for it that I have left over from a hi-point 4595 I had for a bit
     
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    I try my best to avoid making any kind of recommendations on this board since there are numerous others more than willing and no one has ever paid me to offer my opinion. So this is not an endorsement but when you get a chance and if you haven't already, drive over to Elk County Ammo and Arms in downtown St. Marys. Take a look at their stock which is extensive.
     
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    Next time I'm out that way I'll have to stop in and check them out
     
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    About 20 years ago I did a layaway for a 20 year old who was 2 months shy of his 21'st birthday. I stipulated in the deal that he couldn't pick it up until he was 21. The point of sale software we use now won't allow any underage sale or layaway, however. Maybe if you find a LGS that still hand writes receipts or has software that would allow the sort of deal I spoke of above, that might be a simple solution.
     
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    The paddle release is a great feature. You better train mainly with it, if you want to carry it. If not you may end up looking for a button type release when you under pressure of an armed encounter where you need to reload. That could be deadly. Same if you ever decided to carry an HK P7 Squeeze Cocker.
     
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    The biggest problem with the M1, is you will want all your firearms to have the same kind of magazine release. My first pistol, a little over a decade ago was the Walther P99. A generation older than the PPQs you are looking at. I have a PPS M1 in 9mm that has the same paddle release. And believe me I would love a M1 PPQ in 45 as well. I will still get one even as a M2. Don't worry about a minute difference like M1 and M2. Practice with both and you can transition easily between the two.
     
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