Owner of A.R.M.S. donates to anti-gun candidate, Martha Coakley

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Wow the Kool-Aid runs deep with this one. Oh and thanks for not answering the question I asked. If he gives so much then where can records of that be found. Got a link? And I know several military forks who swear by La Rue mounts, and swear at ARMS. Their experience speaks louder than any mouth piece ever will. Be they La Rue or ARMS.

Oh and please don't turn me in for using Kool-Aid. I'd hate to get sued for trademark infringement...
 
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Larue make most everything ARMS does, except of course better.
The irony is that the mount I picked up the other day in a trade didn't need to be broken by me. It broke on its own when trying to put it on my gun.
 
I would just like to point out that the registration email address for the user "factual" is sswan*****@aol.com. The wife of ARMS, Inc's owner is named Sharon Swan.

An IP address (65.96.224.125) geolocation search shows that user "factual" is using an internet service provider that is based in Hyannis, MA, 60 miles from the address that ARMS gives on their website.

Now, setting aside for the moment that user "factual" is obviously someone who is associated with ARMS, allow me take The High Road, and address some of her points. (A truly thorough fisking of her posts would plainly take me the rest of the day, and frankly, I don't have the time to do that.)

Now, LaRue is a fairly big player, and a good company that provides excellent products and customer service. If your company can't compete on those grounds, I can understand how you'd be inclined to try to bully your competition through the legal system.

But the latest threats of lawsuits against small companies, such as 3Gun Stuff is utterly beyond the pale. It's far past any sort of actual need to defend trademark in any actual way, and is, frankly, nothing more than a high-dollar version of school yard bullying.

I personally know and have done work for Chris Marsh, the owner of 3Gun Stuff, and frankly, ARMS' bullying of him is the most ridiculously petty thing I think I've ever witnessed. There's certainly no way that a reasonable person would mistake the products sold by 3Gun Stuff for those sold by ARMS. First off, 3Gun Stuff doesn't sell scope mounts, and secondly the products sold by 3GS are actually well made.

No reasonable person could possibly think that bullying your competition with plainly ridiculous legal threats is supporting the 2nd Amendment, nor does ARMS do anything at all to support the shooting community as a whole.
 
Having been in the Army (11B) and been a 240B team leader, and having had to replace more than one ARMS product on that weapon due to failure while deployed I positively join the cult of La Rue and love their products. I run nothing but it on my civilian AR and have had no problems with La Rue products even through lots of use and abuse.
 
I would just like to point out that the registration email address for the user "factual" is sswan*****@aol.com. The wife of ARMS, Inc's owner is named Sharon Swan.

An IP address (65.96.224.125) geolocation search shows that user "factual" is using an internet service provider that is based in Hyannis, MA, 60 miles from the address that ARMS gives on their website.
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Not that there was much question about this, but thanks for making it clear!

-X

**ETA: Can't wait to see the next account with a hotmail or gmail account used for registration here. :rolleyes:**
 
Thanks Highorder. I went to the link, and am getting ready to send my ARMS 22h to Larue. I would love it if they would swap the SIR system I have. Prolly asking too much. hehe

I currently have a Larue Mount for my Aimpoint. Im happy as a clam with it. If Factual spent a bit more time working the bugs out of his product and less time going on boards and telling us what lemmings we are...im just sayin...

And the biggest beef I have with the SIR system I have is the weight and the fact that the "sling swivel" is screwed on and not a swivel at all. Give it a few twists and off it comes. That seems like a huge issue, but I must be a lemming.
 
If Factual spent a bit more time working the bugs out of his product and less time going on boards and telling us what lemmings we are...
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That's the thing I don't understand! Dick is perfectly capable of reinventing and evolving his product line. Why not burn the midnight oil in R&D instead of commit company suicide on the forum circuit? The web is a powerful tool. Web reaction to ARMS antics (and products) has been deafening.

Also, I don't believe Dick is factual, I think it's Sharon and it's not authorized by Dick.

No business owner involved in litigation would want petty, incoherent, illiterate shilling used as further evidence against them.
 
BTW, I don't own anything from LaRue or have anything to do with them. Though they get enough good reviews that I probably will buy one of their products one of these days. I did recently purchase a Troy BUIS after canceling an order for an ARMS BUIS, and I am more than happy with the Troy product.
 
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Also, I don't believe Dick is factual, I think it's Sharon and it's not authorized by Dick.
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I would actually guess that it's a child or other relative, given the focus on military stuff (a common fascination for teenage and 20ish boys), but who knows.
 
I just made a phone call to a friend of mine that is an operator, he had nothing good to say about ARMS and nothing but praise for LaRue. I would be inclined to think that his real world experience with both products would speak louder than a company owner's wife.
 
Regardless of who it is, the fact that they were not forthright in disclosing their association with A.R.M.S., Inc. speaks volumes about the character of these people.

You'll note that I've been up front with my association with 3Gun Stuff.
 
Sounds to me like ARMS is more of a gun elitist to me. The type that say its fine for ME to own an EBR but not the lowly common folk. As long as they get the military contracts they could care less about the citizens being armed.
 
I would actually guess that it's a child or other relative, given the focus on military stuff (a common fascination for teenage and 20ish boys), but who knows.
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Good point, I hadn't considered that.

Either way, it's so foolhardy it can't be legitimate company strategy.

For the record, I'm no more pro-LaRue than I am pro-Troy, Magpul, etc.

I'm simply anti-A.R.M.S. because of the conduct of their company.
 
Not that there was much question about this, but thanks for making it clear!

-X

**ETA: Can't wait to see the next account with a hotmail or gmail account used for registration here. **
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Heh. We have our ways of finding things. Frankly, it would have been easier for them to be up-front about the association. ;)
 
Highorder

You are right, there were a couple of typo's, feel better now?
You now can try the art of thinking and listening to good advice. vs flags flying while going over the cliff.
 
Typo's, grammar, syntax, sentence structure... It all sounded... dumb.

Not that it matters, but please identify yourself.
 
You are right, there were a couple of typo's, feel better now?
You now can try the art of thinking and listening to good advice. vs flags flying while going over the cliff.
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This isn't even on topic.

On-topic would be a discussion of why Mr. Swan donated to an apparently anti-gun candidate.

Not on topic but a related tangent would be a discussion of the quality of ARMS products or their approach to intellectual property claims.

But what I'm reading in your responses seems to be more like a 10 year old trying to win an argument on the internet. There's a good parable about why you shouldn't wrestle with a pig. It would seem to go both ways in this thread.
 
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