Sans Authoritas
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Sans Authoritas wrote:
Aaron Staub wrote:
Aye. He did. And what, precisely, did he say belonged to Caesar? Did he say that anything at all actually belonged to Caesar?
Aaron Staub wrote:
You're making exceptions for obeying the law because of your particular belief system? You're going to end up shredding the fabric of society, like HK G3 said.
You do not suppose that laws that put men who harmed no one are against God's will?
St. Paul also said, "Slaves, obey your masters." As Sobran asked, is that statement really an approbation of slavery? Were slaves wrong to run away from those who "owned" them?
Under this government, do not 12 men on a jury have the ability, as James Jay said, to judge not only the facts of the case, but also the justice of the law itself? Despite what the whole of society or the government wants?
A law that criminalizes non-criminal behavior is an abomination.
St. Thomas had some things to say about the nature of law, too. He said one of the aspects that must be fulfilled for a morally binding law is that the proposed law be an ordinance of right reason. That means that no one may justly mandate obedience to foolish decrees such as, "Everyone must wear purple on Tuesdays under pain of a felony," or, "You cannot peacably carry a firearm without a government permission slip."
Aaron Staub wrote:
Does one do dishonor to a king by disobeying a bad law?
On the subject of kings, go ahead and read Kings 1:8 1-26. It's very interesting. God was displeased, for some reason.
-Sans Authoritas
Are you religious? Christian? Did God not send an angel to break St. Peter out of prison? Did St. Paul not run from the police? Do you think St. Peter and Paul were not breaking the law? Do you not think Christians under Nero were breaking the law? Do you think any of them were doing something wrong by breaking "the law?"
Aaron Staub wrote:
Stop it, really. I knew this argument would get there eventually. If you want to play that game, remember that it was Jesus who said "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto God that which is God's"
Aye. He did. And what, precisely, did he say belonged to Caesar? Did he say that anything at all actually belonged to Caesar?
Aaron Staub wrote:
The biblical model of authority in the New Testament is clear in showing that our fundamental obligation is to the authority of God, and then to the earthly governments we live under. Peter, Paul and the Christians under Nero were right disobey, because those civil authorities were trying to prevent the work of the Great Commission.The obligation to spread the gospel superseded the authority of the government. Such is not the case here. Not even close.
You're making exceptions for obeying the law because of your particular belief system? You're going to end up shredding the fabric of society, like HK G3 said.
You do not suppose that laws that put men who harmed no one are against God's will?
St. Paul also said, "Slaves, obey your masters." As Sobran asked, is that statement really an approbation of slavery? Were slaves wrong to run away from those who "owned" them?
Under this government, do not 12 men on a jury have the ability, as James Jay said, to judge not only the facts of the case, but also the justice of the law itself? Despite what the whole of society or the government wants?
A law that criminalizes non-criminal behavior is an abomination.
St. Thomas had some things to say about the nature of law, too. He said one of the aspects that must be fulfilled for a morally binding law is that the proposed law be an ordinance of right reason. That means that no one may justly mandate obedience to foolish decrees such as, "Everyone must wear purple on Tuesdays under pain of a felony," or, "You cannot peacably carry a firearm without a government permission slip."
Aaron Staub wrote:
If the words of Jesus don't work for you, it was Peter that said "Honor all men, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king" (emphasis mine)
Does one do dishonor to a king by disobeying a bad law?
On the subject of kings, go ahead and read Kings 1:8 1-26. It's very interesting. God was displeased, for some reason.
-Sans Authoritas