Oy! The Neighborhood Patrol

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August 19, 2007
NEW HAVEN JOURNAL
Mixed Reviews for Neighbors in Arms
By THOMAS KAPLAN
New Haven
Eliezer Greer walked out of the Yeshiva of New Haven at dusk on Tuesday armed with a walkie-talkie in his hand and a loaded pistol at his side. Alfred Brooks Jr., 58, a former marine, was checking the batteries in his flashlight. Mr. Greer, 27, handed him the walkie-talkie.
Good news, Mr. Greer said: Their neighborhood, near Edgewood Park in the city’s western end, was quiet this evening. But he advised Mr. Brooks to keep an eye on the crowd of young people on Hobart Street.
For the past two months, Mr. Greer, Mr. Brooks and fellow volunteers in the Edgewood Park Defense Patrol — half of whom carry guns — have walked and biked through this neighborhood nightly to bring a sense of safety to an area they said had experienced an increase in crime and a decrease in police patrols.
Though Mayor John DeStefano Jr. has called the patrols a “recipe for disaster,” members of the group said that they had not once pulled out a gun, and the authorities acknowledged that violent crime had gone down in Edgewood since the patrols began.
“The last thing we want to do is draw a weapon,” said Mr. Greer, the founder of the defense patrol and the director of the Edgewood Neighborhood Association. “We have one agenda: clearing the neighborhood of thugs and getting people who work all day, pay mortgages, send kids to college, to enjoy the homes they’ve invested in.”
Earlier, Mr. Greer made his rounds with another member of the patrol, Avi Hack, 32. Their attire incorporated elements of Orthodox Judaism and a quasi police force: a skullcap; an undergarment with fringes, called tzitzit; and a black T-shirt that had “Edgewood Park Defense Patrol” on the back. Mr. Greer also carried a gun.
As Mr. Greer and Mr. Hack walked the streets, some lined with restored Victorian homes and others not so tidy, they searched for any signs of trouble.
Typically, patrol members call the police if something looks suspicious, although they decided that the youths and the car posed no threat. They spent most of their time chatting with passers-by in this diverse neighborhood, which has a large racial minority population in addition to many Jewish residents.
“Keep patrolling,” pleaded Lakeisha Singleton, a lawyer who had pulled her car to the side of the road to greet Mr. Greer. Her 1-year-old son, Michael, sat in a car seat in back. “We need you here,” Ms. Singleton said.
Though crime has been cut in half in New Haven over the last two decades and is down 10 percent over all this year from the year before, shootings are up about 50 percent this year, and Mr. Greer has called for the police chief, Francisco Ortiz, to resign.
Mr. Greer and his father, Rabbi Daniel Greer, dean of the yeshiva, have spent the last two decades restoring more than 40 dilapidated homes here and leasing them at no profit to low- and middle-income families. As a result, the neighborhood “has been on the upswing” since its days as a haunt for prostitutes in the 1980s, said Elizabeth McCormack, the neighborhood’s alderwoman.
But in recent years, the crime that once plagued the neighborhood began to return, and the Greers raised the idea of armed patrols after they said they got little help from the police. Crime worsened this spring, coming to a head when Mr. Greer’s brother, Dov, a rabbi like his father, was followed into his Edgewood home by several young men and assaulted.
A day later, the nightly patrols, from 6 to 10 p.m., began. At Mr. Greer’s request, the Guardian Angels, the volunteer crime-watch group based in New York, came and set up separate unarmed patrols.
But it is the weapons carried by Mr. Greer and other patrol members, not the patrols themselves, that have caused a stir. Nine of the patrol’s 18 members carry guns, which is legal in New Haven as long as the citizen has a state permit.
Mr. Greer said the patrol includes Orthodox and non-Orthodox Jews, and non-Jews. Five members are black and one Hispanic, he said. The group says that its racial makeup has eased fears that armed Jews would be chasing down black youths.
In an interview, Mr. Ortiz, the police chief, applauded Mr. Greer and others in Edgewood, saying their actions had spurred other areas to initiate neighborhood watches. And he said major criminal activity in the neighborhood had quieted since June.
But he said he did not support their carrying weapons.
At least one member of the patrol agreed with the chief: Mr. Brooks, who does not carry a gun. If patrol members carry firearms, he said, the criminals will counter with bigger ones.
On Tuesday, Mr. Brooks walked by Hobart Street, finding it relatively quiet. Though they have been patrolling for only two months, Mr. Brooks and other patrol members said residents were beginning to feel safe again.
“They have a right to,” Mr. Greer said. “And if the thugs won’t give us the right, and the police won’t, we’ll give ourselves the right.”
 
Though Mayor John DeStefano Jr. has called the patrols a “recipe for disaster,” members of the group said that they had not once pulled out a gun, and the authorities acknowledged that violent crime had gone down in Edgewood since the patrols began.

Pollys are amazing. They constantly forecast doom and gloom when citizens take the initiative in response to the incompetence of local officials even while grudgingly acknowledging that things in fact are improving.

Good for these people, they are taking back their neighborhood. The city pollys need to either put up or shut up. If they cannot or will not do their job they have no business even commenting on what the citizens are doing on their own.
 
"Pollys are amazing."

You got that right. How anyone can believe, that criminals operating without effective resistance is somehow better than criminals meeting armed resistance, is beyond me.
 
Why does it seem that some Democrats always expect the worst from people? Even people who are trying to do good? Weak-kneed alarmists?
Have some faith huh?

I applaud the folks standing up to the scum in their neighborhoods. More power to them. And I absolutely support the fact they pack heat. Sends the message that they mean business. I love it. Absolutely love it.
 
If patrol members carry firearms, he said, the criminals will counter with bigger ones.

I hate-hate-hate-HATE it when people use this argument. "Don't try to protect yourself, make it easy for the criminals and maybe no one will get hurt too badly"
 
You mean good honest citizens were able to succeed where the police and government failed? What is that we need them for again?
 
Agreed....

It does not sound like the group leaders are doing anything to encourage or discourage its members to carry. In fact, if they are licensed to carry it makes the whole debate moot unless the group 'prohibited' the carrying of firearms in the first place. I could see making it expressly forbidden just backfiring. If the politicians don't like it that's just too bad. Sometimes you have to rub the dog's nose in it before they understand what they did bad to correct it. Something long forgotten unfortunately is that we all have a responsibility within our community to assure its safety. I get tired of hearing how 'I pay the cops salary with my taxes so where are they?' as some sort of excuse not to be proactive. You know what? (this is rant mode), Take your .0002 (not a typo) cents back and live on a mountain where no one has to hear you whine or depend on you. (end rant mode)
 
Yes they are licensed to carry. And they only carry to defend themselves (or others) as allowed by CT General Statutes. I've seen these gentlemen on the local news and they are to be commended.

As to Mayor John DeStefano Jr, he has dreams of moving up as a polititian. New Haven is a very liberal city,and he forgets that people on my side of the State arn't. They might be mostly Democrats here but the 2A is alive and well in my part of Connecticut.
 
I think what they do is an excellent idea. If individuals in a neighborhood wish to volunteer to patrol their own "territory" so to speak, police resources may be saved (by not having to deal with anything around there), and the area will become safer.


If patrol members carry firearms, he said, the criminals will counter with bigger ones.
Or, they will choose to avoid the area and hassle associated with shooting more people. Also, bigger guns? lol? What a load.
 
Good for them.
The Korean folks who armed themselves during the LA riots were spared a bit of destruction. This is a valid and true use of the militia concept, folks taking care of themselves.
 
Why does it seem that some Democrats always expect the worst from people?
It's hard to criminalize more and more ordinary human behavior if people don't do evil things. How can you justify multiplying the quantity of government if there's no need for it?

Umm , gov is it's biggest it's ever been and the "patriot act" can make any one of us a criminal . All done while which party was in power? It's not a Democrat thing or a republican thing , it's a politician thing .
 
Give us a break!

Liberals are a unique breed of hapless fools. They want private citizens to give up gun ownership in deference to being protected by big brother. Unfortunately big brother is virtually never immediately available to protect anyone except perhaps the liberals. It's unlikely the "thugs" have the ability or desire to read the laws and even more likely they would love to use the liberal angle in disarming America to make rape, robbing, pillaging and plundering safer. Personal safety is a personal responsibility and a bunch of liberal politicians far removed from violence and very well guarded (by folks with GUNS) are hardly worthy of making these kind of decisions for us. Finally there is a very good example of how well a society functions in absence of personal gun ownership and it’s known as CHINA.
 
> It's hard to criminalize more and more ordinary human behavior if people don't do evil things. How can you justify multiplying the quantity of government if there's no need for it?

Need I remind you who's been power these past 6 years?

> Liberals are a unique breed of hapless fools. They want private citizens to give up gun ownership in deference to being protected by big brother.

What makes you think they're liberals? I'm a liberal and I'm just fine with guns. The guys you're probably talking about are really just authoritarians - nothing like proper liberals.
 
This had been getting a lot of news attenton here for a while but it has died down recently.

I think what they are doing is great. The police dont seem to want to get involved until a crime has been committed and these people are a big deterrent to the criminals in the city.

I had jury duty down in that area and while some parts of the city are nice there are def some you would want to avoid....especally after dark.....
 
captainstandup- depends on what you mean by liberal. Since L&P closed and because I don't want to hi-jack this thread I will not go into all the details but if asked I would call myself a liberal.
 
Awesome!!

It is about time that people stand up for themselves. The police will not and can not protect everyone. We MUST be able to protect ourselves!!

Luke
 
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