I don't think any manufacturer offers a warranty on a LE trade-in gun
The squeeze cocker only takes about 12 pounds to pull back and only about 4 pounds to hold in the cocked position...it's like a compound bow
P7 for first gun?
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The squeeze cocker only takes about 12 pounds to pull back and only about 4 pounds to hold in the cocked position...it's like a compound bow
I am with the "get a .22 pistol first" crowd. Too many people screw up by trying to be "cool" with their 9mm, .40, .45, etc. like they see in the movies. Buy a decent .22 pistol like a Ruger MKIII or a Browning Buckmark (for $300'ish) and learn how to shoot. In the mean time you can search for a deal on a P7 or try out some other pistols to figure out what suits you.
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sawdeanz said:
The P7 is a weapon that many experienced gun owners find highly desirable. But it is a unique design and might not be the best choice for a first gun.
The P7 has many positive attributes. The fixed 4-1/8" barrel contributes substantially to accuracy, as does the consistent single-action trigger. A low bore axis aids in recoil management for fast follow-up shots. The near absence of buttons and levers simplifies the manual of arms and provides a smooth profile for concealed carry. The guns are robust and were built to a very high quality standard. The design is also inherently safer than most.
However, the P7 also presents challenges. The manual of arms is unique; some find it intuitive, while others find it too alien to use successfully in comparison to other pistols. For a used gun, the P7 is expensive -and the magazines more so- and factory service can be pricey since there is no warranty. For a carry gun, the P7 is heavier than most comparable guns, has a smaller magazine capacity than many, and has fewer holster choices than more common guns.
One thing that has not been mentioned is a gas cylinder cleaning tool ($25 or more ... when you can find one). While the gas cylinder can be cleaned with a .270 bore brush, the cleaning tool is highly desirable to get carbon deposits out of the cone-shaped back of the gas cylinder where a bore brush will not reach.
I won't venture into the start-with-a-rimfire debate, but I would hope that a new shooter would not be banging away at such a rate of fire as to cause concern over heating the gas cylinder. A 50-round box of ammo, fired slowly and deliberately, particularly with magazine reloading and target inspection between strings, should not cause heating problems.
After getting an idea of the expenses, I will have to wait on the P7. It is very attractive to me but when I can get a used glock/m&p/xd for almost half that, it seems like a better choice for now. Thanks for the input guys, I still want one but especially for practicing a lot (my primary reason) the heating factor seems like it would be an issue. And price.
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Many of us do start with lesser guns; that way, you learn to appreciate the difference. P7s are an expensive gun to own; HK has never apologized for that, nor do I. High quality weapons simply cost more money. P7 magazines are expensive. They are also the finest pistol magazines made anywhere, anytime, by anybody. Those magazines contribute heavily to the legendary reliability of the P7. The guns do get hot. That is unavoidable if you shoot a large number of rounds quickly. But you can let the gun cool while you marvel at the accuracy the gun is capable of delivering! Good luck in pursuit of that first pistol. I am obviously a P7 fan; but I, too, would not recommend it as your first gun. You do need something to measure against perfection!
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