PA ALERT! Gov. Rendell to form "Gun Commission!"

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Rendell alarmed by gun violence

Spate of homicides spurs governor to create statewide commission

Friday, April 01, 2005
By Tom Barnes, Post-Gazette Harrisburg Bureau

HARRISBURG -- As a former mayor and district attorney in Philadelphia, Ed Rendell is no stranger to people getting shot and killed in urban violence.

But the governor and other state officials have been shocked by the spate of gun-related killings and violence that erupted in several cities around Pennsylvania in the first three months of this year:

87 homicides in Philadelphia as of March 29, with 72 of the victims killed by guns. In the weekend of March 11 to 13 alone, 11 people died, nine by gunshot.

19 homicides in Allegheny County so far, with 16 of them involving guns, including a Carrick High School youth slain one afternoon while sitting in a car near his school.

Five people shot and killed in a span of six days in March in the small central Pennsylvania city of York.

So Rendell yesterday named a 21-member Commission to Address Gun Violence and wants a report no later than May 16 "with specific administrative, statutory and regulatory changes'' aimed at getting guns out of the hands of youths, stopping trafficking in illegal guns and other measures to curb gun violence.

"We must do more to prevent senseless violence that has been claiming innocent lives in our communities and neighborhoods,'' he said. He wants the panel to "provide sensible legislation that balances our responsibility to protect our citizens with their constitutional right to own guns as law-abiding citizens and sportsmen.''

The commission, which includes U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan, Allegheny County District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr., Pittsburgh Deputy Police Chief William Mullen and state Rep. Dan Frankel, D-Squirrel Hill, will hold its first meeting today in Harrisburg.

"We have to look at what we can do with legislation as well as with interventions in schools and families,'' Frankel said yesterday. "The number of incidents of murders, violence and crimes committed with weapons has been alarming to me for a long time.

"How do these weapons get into the hands of children? People are out there buying weapons with impunity from gun dealers and then selling them on the street to juveniles or convicted felons.''

He suggested a law requiring gun owners to report within 48 hours that a gun has been stolen. Too often, he said, a gun used in a crime is traced back to its former owner, who claims it was stolen some time in the past, when in fact the adult owner may have sold it to a juvenile, known as a "straw purchase.''

State Rep. John Maher, R-Upper St. Clair, criticized Rendell for refusing to hire 90 additional state troopers this year even though the Republican-controlled Legislature included money for them in the budget.

The governor "should immediately end his obstruction of [state police] resources,'' he said. "I hope this commission is not merely an attempt to cover up that the governor has chosen to aid and abet escalating criminal violence by blocking deployment of police resources.''

York Mayor John Brenner, who is on the task force, said Rendell called the Pennsylvania League of Cities at its meeting last month to ask for advice in reducing gun violence.

"We certainly want to be pro-active and do everything we can to prevent these incidents of gun violence from occurring,'' he said. He's especially concerned, he said, because all the gun incidents in York last month involved shooters age 30 and younger.

Brenner said he hopes the state can provide more funding for police overtime and manpower. He supports the task force but said there are some cases where violence probably can't be prevented.

In one York shooting, a man walked down his front steps shooting guns held in both hands at a sheriff who had tried to serve a warrant on him. The man kept shooting even though his own mother moved in between him and the sheriff. The sheriff was wounded and is recovering, but the assailant was killed by police, Brenner said.

"I don't know how a city anywhere could prevent something like that,'' he said.

In addition to forming the commission, Rendell also is assigning 20 state troopers to a federal task force on interstate gun trafficking, set up through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Eight troopers will come from Philadelphia, six from Pittsburgh, three from Harrisburg and three from Reading.

(Harrisburg Bureau Chief Tom Barnes can be reached at [email protected] or 717-787-4254.)
 
The most alarming thing to me about this new "commission" is that Rep. Frankel was named to it. I don't know the reputations of the other members, but Frankel has been a hard-core anti-gun extremist who constantly pushes for gun control measures. Anytime a state-level AWB is proposed, Frankel is either the sponsor or a co-sponsor.

The Governor is paving the way for New Jersey-style anti-gun legislation. If you're a resident of Pennsylvania, please write your state reps today and let them know you are not willing to accept limits on your rights simply because Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are unable to get a handle on violent crime.

You can expect this commission to recommend:

1. "One gun a month" purchase restrictions
2. "Child safety" mandatory gun locks
3. Mandatory reporting of stolen guns under pain of fines and prosecution
4. Liability for damage done with stolen guns
5. A state-level "assault weapons ban" likely to be much more restriction than the expired federal AWB
6. "Smart-gun" requirements

The Governor WILL try to turn us into Camden, New Jersey.
 
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We must do more to prevent senseless violence that has been claiming innocent lives in our communities and neighborhoods,'' he said. He wants the panel to "provide sensible legislation that balances our responsibility to protect our citizens with their constitutional right to own guns as law-abiding citizens and sportsmen.''

I dunnoh, this is really tough, how about arresting criminals who use guns in crimes, and keeping them in jail for a long time. Or how about getting communities involved and getting citizens to testify about the murders they witness, by providing police protection, and getting them to trust the police????

Nah, lets just punnish the lawabiding citizens who own guns instead.
 
This is the 3rd move of the opening gambit for what I suspect will be a sustained campaign on the part of the forces of organized gun bigotry.

Moves 1 & 2 where played in the previous weeks, and involved a coordinated press campaign based on PHL violence.

Move 3 ups the ante, as now there's forces with some actual political power weighing in.
 
This is no longer about "gun safety" or "gun control", it's all about
gun BANISHMENT ! Look at the panel, he even picked a guy from
a place where the squirrels rule the hill...What comes with that ?
NUTS!

[j/k about Squirrel Hill. I bet it's a pretty place]
 
We must do more to prevent senseless violence that has been claiming innocent lives in our communities and neighborhoods...

If that leftist fool meant a single word of that, he'd shut up about firearms and advocate going after the root cause of violent crime: criminals.
 
I am a lifelong Pennsylvanian who recently moved to Colorado. Rendell was at the forefront of the "lawsuit against gun manufacturers" movement. They couldn't win that way, so they are trying more legislation based on high gun violence in Phila. I'll bet my gun collection that:

1. None of the guns used in the crimes were obatined legally.

2. None of the criminals committing the murders held CCW permits.

3. Most if not all of the criminals had prior records of crime and/or violent crime and were let back on the streets.

4. They don's want to tell the real non-PC story because it will cost votes in liberal Philly and Pittsburgh and environs. The real story is minority on minority street crime that the police/judicial system can't nor won't bother to control.
 
Going out on a major conspiracy theory limb here, but is there a remote chance that the recent gun crime in Philly was orchestrated to move the anti-gun agenda forward? I'm just asking. There were a few semi high-profile incidents in Camden, NJ involving AK's the week or two before the AWB expiration that had me slightly suspicious. Is it possibly possible?
 
People are out there buying weapons with impunity from gun dealers and then selling them on the street to juveniles or convicted felons.

That is a bold .... statement! :cuss: Let's see some sources, buddy!

I don't know how a city anywhere could prevent something like that

So, instead of either pursuing the criminals, or admiting that sometimes bad people do bad things, the solution you propose is to 'crack down' on law abiding gun owners.

:cuss: :banghead: :fire: :barf:
 
They don's want to tell the real non-PC story because it will cost votes in liberal Philly and Pittsburgh and environs. The real story is minority on minority street crime that the police/judicial system can't nor won't bother to control.

Three generations' worth of Lyndon Johnson's so-called "Great Society" welfare checks later, the chickens come home to roost.
 
One thing that won't be done is to create a demographic description of those involved in the killings. What are the ages, races, criminal history of those involved (as well as the victims)?

They won't answer these questions because they want to maintain the illusion that these people are average Joes with nothing particularly exceptional about them, such as long felony records and other criminal activity.

Rick
 
Here's the deal. The problem is mainly a Philadelphia problem. It is actually a part of Philly but we're not allowed to acknowledge that. Rendell has to get re-elected next year and he needs his liberal, gun hating Philadelphia cronies to do that. His cronies need him because the people of Philly are getting tired of the corrupt gov't killing the city. So what we get is a lot of talk, some taxpayer funded lunches for his friends and hopefully nothing else.

Fortunately in Pa. we have a legislature that more closely reflects the people than our Governor does.

I believe this is much ado about nothing but will watch closely.
 
Behavior

IMHO the problem in Philly started with people tolerating early antisocial behavior from people who eventually progressed to gun and other violence. When my children were young we never left the driveway until they were buckled up. They tried to rebel from time to time, but I would go nuclear, never laying a hand on them, and soon it became a reflex for them. They realized it was a non-negotiable safety issue.
 
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