PA:Rendell, mayors seek new gun laws

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Like that movie Groundhog Day, Fast Eddie & friends again declare war on PA's legal firearm owners. At least we in MD have another six months until out next legislative session . . and Ceasefire's shameless dancing in blood.

The most dangerous bill from where I sit as a frequent non-resident CCW visitor to PA/Philly is the local gun laws enabling legislation. We battled a similar MD bill this year and managed to win. Hopefully PA will win, too.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/l...yors_exhort_lawmakers_to_limit_gun_sales.html

Rendell, mayors seek new gun laws
The governor and several mayors made a passionate plea to limit handgun purchases to one per month.

By Amy Worden
Inquirer Harrisburg Bureau

HARRISBURG - Once again, the governor pounded the dais as he called for tougher gun laws. Once again, mayors of cities large and small made the case for those laws. And once again, the odds that Pennsylvania's legislature would enact those laws remained long at best.

But this time, Gov. Rendell, Mayor Street, other mayors, and several Democratic legislators made a joint plea yesterday for what they called "commonsense" measures - to limit handgun purchases to one a month, require reporting of lost and stolen guns, and allow cities to pass gun curbs of their own. This time, Street drew attention to the wounded as well as the slain, citing a shooting in Philadelphia the night before that sent four people to emergency rooms.

And this time, Rendell called out the General Assembly in unusually strong language.

"For too long, this legislature has been in the control of the NRA," Rendell said at a Harrisburg news conference. "For too long, this legislature has done things favored by lobbyists, not the people of Pennsylvania."

Rendell pounded the dais as he told lawmakers to "bite their lip, suck it up, and do the right thing in Harrisburg."

Street said shooting victims' families suffer while taxpayers foot the costly medical bills. And mayors from other cities said gun violence had touched their communities, too.

Even so, resistance to the proposals is strong. House Minority Leader Sam Smith (R., Jefferson) said police and courts should do a better job of enforcing laws. He called initiatives such as limiting gun purchases to one a month "smoke and mirrors."

Smith angrily rejected Rendell's description of the NRA's clout in Harrisburg as "delusional," adding: "The position I have on gun control is consistent with the constituents I represent." Smith's district is mostly rural.


It was the fourth time in a year a group of mayors had called for laws they said would combat trafficking in illegal guns. The bill to limit handgun purchases to one a month is aimed at combating so-called straw buyers, who legally purchase firearms in bulk to sell on the black market. The bill hurts only "the gun trafficker who is making money off of someone's misery," Rendell said.

Another bill would require owners to report lost and stolen firearms.

The bills' backers - mostly legislators from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh - dismissed foes' contentions that the bills infringe on rights of law-abiding gun owners. "These are not radical proposals," Rep. Dan Frankel, (D., Allegheny) said. He said each had been enacted by at least one other state, "and not one has been overturned."

Rep. Dwight Evans (D., Phila.), who has led the fight for a package of bills designed to reduce gun violence, predicted the tide was turning in Harrisburg, with Democrats in control of the state House for the first time in a decade and the governor championing the measures.


The bills, however, are stuck in the House Judiciary Committee, where the chairman, Rep. Thomas Caltagirone (R., Berks), has said he does not have the votes to move them to the floor. Evans, just back from his unsuccessful run for mayor, conceded yesterday, "We have more work to do" in the Judiciary Committee.

The upstate mayors at yesterday's news conference, most of them Democrats, said they realized they faced some opposition from lawmakers who represent them. But Mayor Thomas McMahon of Reading said the rise in handgun crimes had undermined government-funded efforts to redevelop aging cities across the state.

Philip R. Goldsmith, president of the group CeaseFire PA, said he sensed "the times are a-changing" for Pennsylvania gun laws. Goldsmith, who is Street's former managing director, warned, "There will be another Virginia Tech." :eek::rolleyes:

Street said he knew something of gun culture, having been raised not on the "mean streets of Philadelphia," where the homicide rate is soaring, but on a 110-acre Montgomery County farm where he said he grew up believing all pickup trucks came with gun racks.

He said the proliferation of handguns had a high cost, and cited the wounding of four people on Tuesday night in Philadelphia's Juniata section. Police said the victims were taken to Einstein Hospital where a 28-year-old man was reported in critical condition with stomach and knee wounds. Listed in stable condition were a 21-year-old woman with an ankle wound, a 21-year-old man wounded in the back, and a 24-year-old man who had been shot in the foot. No arrests have been made in those shootings.

Street closed his remarks at the news conference this way: "I believe the day will shortly come when this General Assembly will wake up and say, 'We must do something.' "

Rendell's office said in a news release that in 2005, the rate of gun homicides rose twice as fast in the rest of the state as it did in Allegheny and Philadelphia Counties. Eighty-three percent of all killings in Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, Reading and York were gun killings, the release said; it noted that Philadelphia's homicide rate now exceeds one a day - usually with a firearm. Rendell previously pounded the dais about gun laws during a March 26 speech, saying in part, "No one who is sane and rational would vote against one handgun a month."

The NRA posted news of that speech on its national Web site - along with phone numbers so NRA members could call Rendell and legislators and "respectfully urge them to oppose any gun control measures."


Contact staff writer Amy Worden at 717-783-2584 or [email protected]
 
But Mayor Thomas McMahon of Reading said the rise in handgun crimes had undermined government-funded efforts to redevelop aging cities across the state.

What? I sure would like to see a study showing that. He pulled that out of his back-side. How in the world there could be a cause and effect relationship here is beyond me. Another example of anti-gunners making something up that most people will believe.

"No one who is sane and rational would vote against one handgun a month."

No one who is sane and rational would believe that "one gun a month" effects anyone looking to commit a crime.
 
Philip R. Goldsmith, president of the group CeaseFire PA, said he sensed "the times are a-changing" for Pennsylvania gun laws.

This is wishfull thinking on his part, and a PR maneuver performed in the hopes that it contributes to bringing the wish about.

Goldsmith is a new player stepping out of the shadows. We'll have to keep an eye on him.

Tracking the at issue, the progression seems to be this:

3,4 years ago, Ceasefire PA was a empty shell org mostly propped up by Ceasefire NJ.

About 1, 2 years ago, the deranged NJ based Bryan Miller got access to Mayor Street's Office, and was able to agitate at that level.

And now, the news is that one of Street's cronies is now head of Ceasefire PA.

Interesting.

Our enemies are clearly on the march.

Here's to wind in their face, freezing rain on their heads, mud in their boots, a pox on their ass, and a stinging case of the crabs.
 
I guess its time to get the "campaign gear" back up and running full swing. When will the lawmakers from Filthydelphia realize they don't speak for the rest of the state; nor do we want them to?
 
Honest question here. What law abiding gun owner wouldn't report their gun(s) stolen? It would be theft of property, I'd report it as soon as possible. With that in mind, why is there a law on the books for it?
 
^^^ So they can criminalize you if you don't report it within a certain period.

Popular move out here in the CA wonderland of gun control.
 
The Philly mayor (Street) always calls for "sensible gun laws" when thugs gun each other down in the city. He never mentions that those involved in the shootings have criminal histories and/or have weapons in violation of already existing gun laws.

He can't protect the city residents from its criminals, but wants to take away residents' ability to protect themselves.

If he thinks tourism dollars are low now, just wait until he asks people to disarm before entering Philthadelpia.
 
Honest question here. What law abiding gun owner wouldn't report their gun(s) stolen?

Most gunowners would in fact report it stolen, as soon as they discovered it, and convinced themselves it hadn't been misplaced or used by a family member.

The real purpose for these laws are to create paper trails for the disposition of arms, in addition to the ones already onthe books for their acquisition.

Frankly, reporting a stolen gun as some sort of crime _preventative_ measure is only useful if the police plan to actively do a damned thing about it beyond filing the report.

If the law had some sort of complex, outcome driven mandatory investigation attached to it, that requires that some % of stolen guns be found and returned to their owners in 30 days, the mayor's enthusiasm for the plan would be much dimmed.
 
Honest question here. What law abiding gun owner wouldn't report their gun(s) stolen? It would be theft of property, I'd report it as soon as possible. With that in mind, why is there a law on the books for it?

Speaking with Representative Cruz (D-Philadelphia), he wants to make it a crime to not report a gun stolen within 24 hours of the theft. I argued that I travel for work, and could be gone for a week. If someone breaks into my house Monday, and I don't report it by Tuesday, I would have committed a felony; even though I could be on the left coast, nowhere near my home. He doesn't have a problem with me losing my rights by "committing" this bogus crime.

That's why this law is bad. I asked if he kept a house in Philadelphia, he answered "yes." I said: "What happens if someone breaks into your Philly house, and steals a gun while you're in Harrisburg? How would you know about it in 24 hours? His answer: "My wife would tell me." I asked if he always discriminates against single people?
 
seperation of powers

The governor and mayors too, should refrain from attempted legislative action, which is the responsibility of the houses, and do their duty as executives and not infringe on the other branches of government.
 
Funny how bold all these politicians are about taking away our rights. When are they going to realize that almost every species turns VERY defensive when threatened.

And, they are threatening an ARMED species! Luv to see the facial expressions the day that realization comes to them!
 
Rendell has other problems:

"HARRISBURG, Pa. -- The cost of protecting Pennsylvania's governor and lieutenant governor is skyrocketing.

News 8 On Your Side government reporter Ben Simmoneau looked into what's driving the increase and whether anything can be done.

The Price Of Security
Wherever Gov. Ed Rendell goes, they're there -- his state police security detail.
They drive him to events and provide protection for him, his wife, First Lady Midge Rendell, and the Lieutenant Governor, Catherine Baker Knoll. That protection comes at a cost -- more than $2 million a year. And it's rising.


Under Pennsylvania's Right to Know Law, News 8 requested salary and overtime figures for the governor's security detail. The numbers show that just in the last two terms, eight years, the cost of protecting the governor has nearly doubled, rising 89 percent. In 1999, the bill was just over $1 million. Last year it was more than $2 million.

News 8 went to state police for an explanation.

"Look at the salary increases," said Pennsylvania State Police spokesman Jack Lewis. "The vast majority of the increase on both the regular time and the overtime has been a result of pay increases."

But the pay increases do not account for all of the increase. Since 1999, troopers received pay raises totaling a cumulative 26.6 percent. Even with additional seniority raises for the governor's security detail, the total is likely nowhere near 89 percent. News 8 cannot provide more specific details because, citing security, state police only provided total figures.

Rendell spends a lot of time in Philadelphia, and that may be increasing the bottom line for taxpayers. Simmoneau asked Rendell's spokesman, Chuck Ardo, about that.
Simmoneau: "Is the fact that the governor goes home to Philadelphia -- is that costing taxpayers money?"

Ardo: "No more money than it cost other governors when they went home."
Except Rendell goes home a lot, especially during last year's election cycle. Between January 2006 and March of this year, Rendell spent 242 nights at his home in Philadelphia, compared to 117 at the governor's residence in Harrisburg.

The state police say simply put -- travel means overtime. Overtime jumped 7 percent last year to its highest dollar point in eight years, totaling more than $611,000.
Simmoneau: "Is it fair for taxpayers to have to pick up all that overtime?"

Ardo: "Well, there are spikes in the costs of security."
Ardo pointed out that overtime is at the same level it was eight years ago, when it is viewed proportionately to salary.
Simmoneau: "But the governor raised a lot of money for his campaign. What I'm asking: 'Is it fair for the taxpayers to have to pick up that cost when it's the governor who's running for office?'"

Ardo: "Again, I understand your question. There really is no mechanism for a private entity to pay the state police for their protection details."

But with increasing reports about how state police are stretched thin, is $2.1 million a lot of money?

Wednesday afternoon, state police officials told News 8 that since 2003, they've been making a concerted effort to cut down on security detail overtime. They said even though costs are rising due to salaries, troopers are clocking fewer hours of overtime.

State police provided the following breakdown to News 8:
SALARIES:
1999: $771,550.00
2000: $860,515.00
2001: $863,341.00
2002: $1,092,680.00
2003: $1,350,881.00
2004: $1,385,517.40
2005: $1,462,774.20
2006: $1,457,905.10
OVERTIME:
1999: $323,886.83
2000: $348,955.96
2001: $436,729.76
2002: $562,268.86
2003: $452,258.56
2004: $475,705.10
2005: $516,537.28
2006: $611,805.37 "


Link to the article:
From WGAL News

Rendell's second term has been pretty bad. Not many sucesses to build upon. He has been cited for authorizing his State Trooper driver to greatly exceed the speed limit (by about 30 MPH). His property tax relief initiative was overwhelmingly defeated in the May election.

He's a has been...
 
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