PA/Philly gun law question

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I am a resident of Indiana and hold an Indiana CCDW gun permit.

I'm flying into the Northeast Philadelphia Airport in a private aircraft and staying downtown for a few days, and have a friend who wants to take me shooting at some club outside Philly one day.

Security of the firearms aside, are there any state or local legal prohibitions from me bringing a shotgun and/or handgun on this trip to shoot? I have no intention of carrying in Philly, just want to bust some clays & poke some holes and make darn sure I'm not setting myself up for a world of legal hurt.

Thanks!
 
Transport in a locked gun case seperate from the ammunition in the baggage area, (behind the back seats most likely). If he needs to divert for any reason, don't go into NJ or NYC as you can be illegal for just possession of a handgun and/or hollow point ammo. When you are driving to the range do the same thing, but put the firearms in the trunk.

What kind of plane is it? Just curious, it does not effect the firearm issue.
 
Your Indiana permit is fully recognized by Pennsylvania, so carry away. There is state preemption here in PA, so despite how much Philadelphia would like to prohibit people from carrying, they can't. So you can carry openly or concealed in Philadelphia (or anywhere else in the state) with your Indiana permit.

Just keep your long guns unloaded while they're in the car (anti-poaching regulation), and you should be fine. Pennsylvania is easily in the top five of gun friendly states.
 
Get a PA Non-Resident License. Best $26 you'll spend; makes you legal for your trip to Philly and a whole bunch of other states besides for the next 5 years. I have always gotten quick (less than 10 days from receipt) service from the Centre County Sheriff's Department:

http://www.co.centre.pa.us/211.asp
 
No need, tackleberi.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

Category 2: States that have statutory reciprocity under 6106(b)(15) of the Uniform Firearms Act.

The following states have been granted statutory reciprocity without a formal written agreement under 6106(b)(15), based on the determination of the Attorney General that the other state has granted reciprocity to Pennsylvania license holders, and that the other state's laws governing firearms are similar.

*Colorado
*Idaho
*Indiana
*Louisiana
*Montana
*North Dakota
*Utah
 
Centre County for the Non-Resident license...second time in as many days that's been mentioned to me! Unfortunately since the trip is imminent I don't think that'll really work but I should probably drop the $26 for future use...

I unfortunately don't have any lockable cases, just sleeves for the shotguns and the factory (non-lockable) case for my G19. Figure I'll put the pistol and ammo in a nondescript bag but the shotgun is gonna be hard to confuse for anything else!

Pilot, as to your question...its a Cessna Citation CJ2 and I'm "driving", so to speak.

Figure we'll probably keep the weapons secured in the locked airplane when we're not on the way to/from the range..
 
Get a PA Non-Resident License. Best $26 you'll spend; makes you legal for your trip to Philly and a whole bunch of other states besides for the next 5 years. I have always gotten quick (less than 10 days from receipt) service from the Centre County Sheriff's Department:

http://www.co.centre.pa.us/211.asp

1. He's already legal for his trip to Philly.

2. By getting the PA license he would only gain VA and WV. Virginia is open carry without a permit anyway.
 
Certainly no "need", as PA recognizes a lot of out-of-state licenses, to include Indiana.

That said, as a recently escaped Center City Philly resident, I can assure one that they do not want to debate the legality of any state's resident permit at the street level with the PPD. While they have many good cops on the job who aren't there to break stones (and I've been well-served by them), there is a great deal of resentment by the upper management of the city (to include the PPD) as to recognizing out-of-state permits in any form. This appears to have been spurred by an incident in Old City, where a (legal) out-of-state handgun permittee/law student was involved in a shooting. Awareness as to the legality of out-of-state firearms permits was heightened by this incident, starting a crusade by do-gooder politicians and the local media to challenge PA laws recognizing out-of-state permits, even by unlawful prosecutions if necessary.

It appears the current approach is to take the gun, process the gun owner as a criminal, and let the criminal justice system sort it all out. See here:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/101858613.html

The state of PA has made it clear that Philly can't do whatever it wants to do in regards to firearms regulation; this is why pre-emption is the law of the state. Even so, Philly seems happy to push things and more than a few lawful gun owners have had their civil rights deprived by the City of Philadelphia. Philly is dead-balls wrong on the issue, and this perspective on civil rights by the Nutter administration is one of the reasons I voted with my tax-paying checkbook and got out of the city. The original poster would be well-advised, however, to know that street-level law enforcement may not be so friendly to his out-of-state permit, and even though he may be in the right, he should enter the tenor of current events into his risk/reward analysis before traveling to Philly with his handgun.
 
So, tackleberi, you would suggest paying a tax to the state of Pennsylvania in order to obtain a permit to do something which is already legal?!? Because some bad cops may hassle the person for not only legal, but already licensed behavior?!? Really? :scrutiny:

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It is the duty of the citizen to stand up against government entities including police that would, via threat of arrest, force their opinions unlawfully upon that citizen.
 
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No, not really "paying taxes" and all that stuff. Just giving the OP something to consider since he indicated he wanted to "make darn sure I'm not setting myself up for a world of legal hurt." The PA LTCF is familiar to most PPD cops, it would minimize the likelihood of ending up in the the type of situation the men in the article I linked to did. As a up-til-recently resident of Philly, I wanted to give him a "heads up" on the current climate regarding out-of-state licenses (often called "Florida loophole" licenses by the media demonizing them, since many Philadelphia residents carry on a Florida license rather than run the PPD LTCF application gauntlet) so that he might make an informed decision.

I myself carried on a Non-Resident LTCF from another state during my time in Philadelphia. PA recognizes certain Non-Resident state LTCF's, and rather than go through the PPD process, I just kept my Non-Resident current (to include updating it with my Philly address) the whole time I lived there. I also had an attorney on retainer, knew the laws, and had accepted the possibility of being inconvenienced by my decision. As well, I moved out of the city as soon as I could, since the civil rights violations happening in the city of Philly don't stop at their unlawful restrictions on gun ownership.

Forewarned is forearmed. If the OP wants to "stand up against government entities including police that would, via threat of arrest, force their opinions unlawfully upon that citizen", and has the time/money/motivation to do so, then at least he knows that Philly might be a good place to do that. Go to Reading Terminal Market for lunch, get "bump frisked" walking past a cop, pretextually stopped, and end up explaining your out-of-state LTCF to him. At least you would know that's what the PPD is up to recently, and would be prepared for that eventuality.

If worrying about the possibility of explaining his Indiana LTCF to a less-than-sympathetic cop under orders from a gun-grabbing administration to "get guns off the street" would ruin his weekend visiting his friend, the OP's personal risk/reward tolerance might have him reconsidering his plans of traveling with his guns. Of course, this might lead to him worrying about getting assaulted while unarmed, a real possibility in "Killadelphia". I don't know the OP, and he'll have to make this decision for himself. In any case, the more information he has the better situated he is to make a decision befitting his own circumstance, or at least pre-plan his trip, which is what I understood the OP was looking for.
 
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I agree with tackleberi if you're wanting a hassle free visit and not trying to make a statement.
 
I agree with tackleberi if you're wanting a hassle free visit and not trying to make a statement.

Make a statement about what, exactly? That the statutes of the State of Pennsylvania exist and that they exist to limit the actions of the government for the protection of the citizen as much as they exist to limit the actions of citizens themselves? Or make a statement that we should expect politicians and their henchmen to obey the same laws we have to? Seems to me like that is a pretty important statement to make if you want to hold on to what little freedoms we have left.

(and I am not saying all cops are politicians' henchmen. Only the very, very small minority out there whose actions prove that they are.)
 
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dont open carry in philly. Just carry concealed.
You will get stopped for sure legal or otherwise they love to harrass open carry.
 
have you read the action that has happened lately with the guys being arrested even though they were legal. They were released but the police kept their guns.
 
Open carry is permitted in Pennsylvania without a ccw permit, EXCEPT!!!! in a city of the first class. Of which there is only one, Philadelphia.
 
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I would just take my gun(s) unloaded and go to the range and shoot. Stay out of NJ. I'm not into making "statements" anymore when it comes to legal issues where my "statement" might land me in jail. I would now carry concealed, but I have never tried to carry inside Phily city limits. however.

I had not seen the agreements with other states before (Post #6). When I got my carry permit in TN, I checked handgun law site at the time and they indicated I was legal. TN has more riguorous requirements than PA for the permit. I carried for about a year off and on in PA when I visited family. Then one day, something triggered me to actually check with the attorney general in PA. I discovered there was no official reciprocity betweem TN and PA at that time. I inquired what I could do to get this changed and the Attorney General in PA was quite accomadating. I called TN Attorney General and they pretty much blew me off..... low and behold a month or two later, there was formal reciprocity between the two states. I like to believe I had something to do with that.
 
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tkactionl said:
dont open carry in philly. Just carry concealed.
You will get stopped for sure legal or otherwise they love to harrass open carry.

I was not even suggesting or advocating open carry in Philly. I was actually only responding that I personally felt it was absurd to suggest that a person SHOULD get a Pennsylvania non-resident LTCF when they already have a permit recognized by the state of Pennsylvania and valid in the city of Philadelphia simply because some power hungry and/or ignorant cop may harass the person for carrying on a recognized permit, whether concealed or not! At what point do you STOP giving in and rolling over?!?

What if the cop didn't like the length of his hair? Or what if the cop didn't like the fact that he wore a religious symbol that was of a religion the cop didn't agree with? Would the suggestion be made to cut the hair, or not wear the jewelry because some cop may hassle him for it?

And that in no way is suggesting that all cops, or even any kind of majority of cops are ignorant and/or power hungry. Just the one that would hassle a person carrying a firearm on a legally recognized and valid permit.
 
It wasnt a matter of legality, it was a should or shouldn't
statement. You know sometimes we just want to go somewhere and just be safe and dont want the wife and baby to have to sit in a police parking lot waiting for my release or worse have to sit there unarmed.
 
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