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Gun owners flocking to get permits to carry in public

One month since the onset of Minnesota's liberalized handgun law, more than 4,000 people have applied for permits to carry firearms in public, and so far almost all are getting them.

The number of would-be gun-toters lining up for permits in 4 1/2 weeks equals a third of the total who were licensed in all of 2002 under a more restrictive system. Most of the increase is coming in the Twin Cities area's five biggest counties, where more than 3,000 permit applications have been filed and 1,283 permits have been issued.

In all of last year, authorities granted only 1,400 permits in those five counties: Anoka, Dakota, Hennepin, Ramsey and Washington.

Because applications keep coming in -- 65 to 80 a day in the five big counties -- and officials are still processing most of them, the figures compiled Friday from a state database and a Star Tribune survey of sheriffs' offices give only a fleeting glimpse of the new law's impact. But several trends have emerged:

• Only about 40 applicants statewide have been rejected because of criminal or mental health records, inadequate training or, in a few cases, because a sheriff judged them a danger to themselves or others. With nearly 2,000 permits issued statewide, the denial rate is about 2 percent.

• A steady stream of applicants is expected for months to come, especially in the Twin Cities area, because required handgun training classes are full, sheriffs say. But overall the response appears to be falling short of a legislative projection that 50,000 permits would be issued in the law's first year.

• While permit applications have soared in the metro area, the numbers have fallen sharply in many places outstate. Four northern counties (Beltrami, Crow Wing, Itasca and Otter Tail) that had more than 4,000 permits outstanding at the end of 2002 -- 35 percent of the statewide total with 4 percent of the population -- reported only 30 applications in the last month.

"It's because of the cost," said Itasca County Sheriff Pat Medure. "We used to charge a $10 processing fee. Now it's $100, $75 for renewals, plus $50 to $140 for the training. I must have fielded over 300 calls from people unhappy about that."

'Soft, white guys'

By law, officials can't reveal the identities of those applying for or receiving handgun permits, but Dakota County Sheriff Don Gudmunson has sized them up.

"They're soft white guys," he said. "They look in the mirror and see they're out of shape and think they need a gun to protect themselves. But they're living in an area where they have nothing to fear."

In Scott County, just west of Dakota, Sheriff Dave Menden has a different appraisal. "I've talked to quite a few of them," he said. "They're damn good citizens. We have nothing to worry about from them."

Washington County Sheriff Jim Frank noted that of 283 applicants to his office, only 12 have been women. He has issued 223 permits, for the highest acceptance rate so far in the Twin Cities, but he's doing it grudgingly.

Under his stamped signature on the permits are the words "sub recuso," Latin for "under protest," he said. He disagrees with the new law, saying it has forced him to issue permits to 11 people with arrest or misdemeanor records not specified in the statute as grounds for denial.

"I think the law worked fine before," when authorities had broad discretion to deny permits, Frank said. "I think there's going to be more harm than good to come from this."

Nearly 7,000 Minnesotans have voiced agreement with that sentiment by signing petitions for repeal of the new law, said Rep. Nora Slawik, DFL-Maplewood. She, along with other legislators and local officials, will hold a repeal rally at 3:15 p.m. today in Central Park in Eagan, one of the places where permitted handguns can't be banned.

"I get petitions every day in the mail," Slawik said. "They are from all over the place, all walks of people, companies and citizens, top of the state to the bottom of the state. People are nervous."

The law gives sheriffs 30 days to act on permit applications, and many of them have used nearly all of it. Almost no permits were mailed out in the Twin Cities until last week.

"We wanted to give people and businesses the whole 30 days to understand the new law and establish policy for their property," said Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher. "But we should have a 21-day turnaround going forward."

Fletcher has stuck to a policy of scheduling appointments to file handgun permit applications, although he said that with filings now down to 20 a day, "if people walked in, they'd be seen."

Anoka County, however, stopped requiring appointments when scheduling started backing up into July. "That wasn't reasonable," said sheriff's Lt. Ron Bouley. "It didn't look right."

The county hired some retired officers to speed up processing, and the backlog was quickly resolved, Bouley said. Now about 25 permit-seekers are showing up each day. "It's slowly dwindled from about 80 a day at first," he said.

Hennepin County had 222 applicants on May 28, the day the law took effect, 42 of them standing in line when the Government Center opened at 8:30 a.m. In the first two weeks, 883 applied, and it took eight staff members working full time to handle the paperwork, said Rosenn Campagnoli, spokeswoman for Sheriff Pat McGowan.

"It's an enormous change for us," she added. Already McGowan has issued 580 permits, compared with six in all of 2002. More permits than that were issued in the county last year, but under the old law, most applications in Hennepin County and other urban areas were handled by city police chiefs. Now only sheriffs have permit authority.

Inconsistencies in past

In the past, the number of handgun permits issued in different parts of the state generally reflected the opinions of local police chiefs and sheriffs on the issue of armed self-defense for citizens.

In the Twin Cities area, "it was pretty widely known that unless you needed a permit for work you weren't going to get one," said Washington County chief deputy Steve Pott.

But Itasca Sheriff Medure said he "took at face value" claims of personal safety hazards to warrant carrying handguns. He denied not one of 1,140 applications last year. In the past month, however, only five have applied, he said.

Applicants have been such "honest, law-abiding citizens" that only about a dozen permits were revoked in 28 years in Itasca County because of misconduct, Medure said. He also estimated that 95 percent of the county's permitholders never carried guns.

Gudmundson thinks he knows why.

"They're cold or hot, heavy, hard to conceal and they're downright dangerous," he said. In his 25 years as sheriff of Fillmore and Dakota counties and police chief of Lakeville, he added, he has never carried a gun off-duty.

"I've never been in a situation where I've needed it," he said. "I tell the people applying for permits that they have about as much chance of needing a gun as they do of winning the Gopher Lotto. And if that happens, they have as much chance of using it correctly as of winning the Powerball."
 
"They're soft white guys," he said. "They look in the mirror and see they're out of shape and think they need a gun to protect themselves. But they're living in an area where they have nothing to fear."

Nothing to fear, that is, but criminals, terrorists, and government.
 
"They're soft white guys," he said. "They look in the mirror and see they're out of shape and think they need a gun to protect themselves. But they're living in an area where they have nothing to fear."

What an offensive P.O.S.. His assesment is remakably perspicacious. Glad to see that his 'power' to deny permits for us softies has been removed.

Most of the soft white guys I'm aware of are Dakota County Officers.... :D


Diesle


P.S. What was that ole saying....? "It takes one to know one..." <b>Sheriff Don</b>
 
Thought I would mention....

Here's something to think about... In regards to the "OVERWEIGHT SOFT WHITE GUYS" comment by the Dakota County sheriff. How would the general public feel if an elected official referred to people applying for welfare as OVERWEIGHT SOFT colored PEOPLE?

:what:
 
If you care to send comments to this racist, the email address is [email protected] His web site says they want us to "feel free" to send him email. I'm sure he'd love to hear from us. This is what I wrote:
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Just curious about something that I read in the Star Tribune, which attributed a comment to you which characterized concealed weapons permit applicants as "soft white guys" who "look in the mirror and see they're out of shape and think they need a gun to protect themselves."

First question is, how do you think your comment would have been taken if you had characterized permit applicants as "skinny black guys" or "fat hispanic guys"? It would have been received as the racist comment that it was. I don't care that you're white, it was still a racist remark.

Secondly, why do you find it necessary to belittle law-abiding citizens who simply wish to exercise their natural right to protect themselves and their loved ones? Do you realize how that is viewed by the public? There is already a great deal of mistrust in the public toward law enforcement. Your attitude only reinforces the stereotype that you and your kind place yourselves above the public as some sort of "super citizens" that have rights that we mere mortals should never attain.

Thirdly, if your derogatory comment indicates your personal views of the use of firearms by law-abiding citizens for personal protection, why do you and your deputies need to carry guns? After all, you said that there is no need to carry a gun because there isn't enough crime. Since you and your deputies are such big strong manly men compared to we "soft white guys", it seems that you would need guns less than we would. So when are you and your deputies going to turn in your guns?

Obviously, you won't. And the reason for that is the same reason that law-abiding citizens wish to have the same ability (we were already given the right by our Creator) to protect themselves. Criminals break the law, sometimes upon the backs of good people. Good people deserve the chance to prevent that from happening to them.

Signed,
*me*
Former Minnesota Resident
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Update 7/1/03: Received the following reply to my email:

"DELETED, NOT READ BY SHERIFF"

I guess the widdle Shewiff would get his feewings huwt if he read my mean widdle email. My reply back was "Typical Spineless Liberal". :fire:
 
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Good letter Hazwaste.

During an interveiw with the Washington County Sheriff on a local broadcast in Minnesota, he commented a few times about all the guns that this new law was going to put on the streets. Later in the interview he was asked if he didn't think that the new law was more fair and equable when issueing permits. His response was that his county already issued them fairly, in fact they had only turned down 2 requests for permits in Washington county. So granting 2 more permits was going to put alot more guns on the street in the Washington metro county. :what:
The guy can't even keep his lies straight.
 
That POS had rattled me enough to write directly to him last night as well....

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"They're soft white guys," he said. "They look in the mirror and see they're out of shape and think they need a gun to protect themselves. But they're living in an area where they have nothing to fear."

Sheriff,

Your assessment is remarkably perspicacious. You have an investigators eye.

Keep up the good work!



D. Stone



P.S. Seriously though, I've had a chance to hear a lot of really odd comments in the last year regarding CCW permits. Your thoughts on the profile of a CCW permit applicant is so overwhelmingly prejudiced that its moved on to just silly. Slapstick silly really... If there was nothing to fear, you wouldnt have a job.

You and your ilk are the reason why the state needed to act on behalf of the people and mandate a uniform standard that you HAVE to abide by. Please serve and protect your community and leave your politics at the dinner table.



Diesle
 
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