Padlock Poll: Donate or Toughness Test Them?
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Toughness test please. and take both pics and video I'm sure we're all interested in seeing what happens.
If and when they pass the test then you can donate them.
The best of both worlds.
If and when they pass the test then you can donate them.
The best of both worlds.
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Keep the Locks
CB900F, as always posted great information and I share his position of not exposing publicly the results.
Not sure about "always wanting to shoot stuff" ...
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As soon as something is messed up, donated, lost, or even borrowed, that is when one needs that very item.
CB900F, as always posted great information and I share his position of not exposing publicly the results.
Not sure about "always wanting to shoot stuff" ...
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As soon as something is messed up, donated, lost, or even borrowed, that is when one needs that very item.
CB900F:
If you review my post before yours, you will note that I was curious of the present-day value, and I did the Google search. They have dropped dramatically. But, also, recall where I live...the 2nd most expensive county in America. Depending on where you shop, the Bushmasters sell for $150.00 to $200.00 above MSR. Supply and demand rules. The customers have the supply of $$$, and the stores demand as much of that money as they can. Rather a perversion, isn't it? Now you understand why I call this area "Jokeland County", not Oakland County. It is a joke.
Doc2005
If you review my post before yours, you will note that I was curious of the present-day value, and I did the Google search. They have dropped dramatically. But, also, recall where I live...the 2nd most expensive county in America. Depending on where you shop, the Bushmasters sell for $150.00 to $200.00 above MSR. Supply and demand rules. The customers have the supply of $$$, and the stores demand as much of that money as they can. Rather a perversion, isn't it? Now you understand why I call this area "Jokeland County", not Oakland County. It is a joke.
Doc2005
Sistema1927
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You don't have a use for padlocks? Not even in the foreseeable future?
mossberg
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You're joking right? Toughness test!
hexidismal
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I'd say do your own tests. I for one would be pretty interested to see the results. Do be careful though , seriously. Shooting locks could be very dangerous. Bullets could deflect, lots of potential for shrapnel in any direction.. sheesh, all sorts of things. I'd like to see what happens, but I wouldn't want to see you get hurt in the process.
AZGunLover
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I say shoot them!!!
cmb3366
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Heres another vote for the toughness test.
On another note, I can say for a fact that a 16ga foster slug will completly penetrate the body of a Master combination/key locker-style lock, poping the clasp completly off the lock in the process. I forgot the combo and lost the key to it, and needed to get it unlocked to move a deerstand. A sluggun proved to be a good spare key.
On another note, I can say for a fact that a 16ga foster slug will completly penetrate the body of a Master combination/key locker-style lock, poping the clasp completly off the lock in the process. I forgot the combo and lost the key to it, and needed to get it unlocked to move a deerstand. A sluggun proved to be a good spare key.
I'd be extremely interested to see how well that 957 holds up. We have a TON of those things at the warehouse I work in, and they are TOUGH. You can't drill them, you can't cut them, hammers are useless, grinders just make them bounce all over....One of our forklift drivers had one hanging over the back of his lift, dangling from a chain, when he backed into a pole at full speed, about 17mph. It left an imprint of the lock on both the pole (7/8 thick steel I beam) and the cast iron counterweight on the lift. The pole bent like a straw, the lift went to a junkyard, but the lock was fine.
Doc;
Apologies, the comment on selling to you was tongue-in-cheek. I noted the comment about a poster wanting to try shooting in various spots on the locks & posting the results & simply dropped to reply without reading all the rest of the posts, including yours.
On the 6230, that has a forged steel body. Master makes a lock that's similar in looks with a cast body that sells at a lower price point. There is a protective difference between the two, don't be fooled.
900F
Apologies, the comment on selling to you was tongue-in-cheek. I noted the comment about a poster wanting to try shooting in various spots on the locks & posting the results & simply dropped to reply without reading all the rest of the posts, including yours.
On the 6230, that has a forged steel body. Master makes a lock that's similar in looks with a cast body that sells at a lower price point. There is a protective difference between the two, don't be fooled.
900F
I found the Weatherby padlock commercial!
As I walked through the family room this morning, I noted my Weatherby video. I haven't watched it in years. Immediately I thought...that's where I saw the padlock commercial...in the beginning of that video!
So, I took the video to the living room and plugged it in. Just after the FBI warning, appears a Weatherby padlock commercial! If anyone wants to see the commercial, it is on the video that is titled, Weatherby Video Presents, "Hunting The Cape Buffalo", by Global Adventure Video. They used a .300 Wea. Mag. to shoot the lock. They had the lock mounted onto a piece of heavy steel using an eye hook. That padlock was not going to fly way unless it broke.
Most important, they show the angle of attack "shot placement"...it was angled. It was not a straight through the front. They then show the lock shattering in semi-slow speed. The shank remained flawlessly in-tact! But, the lock that Weatherby used in the commercial is not the heavy-duty lock. It was like the lock in the first set of pictures that has the label on it, “Tough Under Fire”. Now, the large black pad lock is designed the same. The difference is that it has a plastic shell 1/8” thick over the bottom to keep water and other elements off, and the top is shrouded in steel.
However, there is a massive energy difference between a 26” barreled, Mark V, chambered in .300 Wea. Mag. launching a 150 grain bullet at 3,600 FPS, versus the SA M1A “Loaded”, with a 22” barrel, chambered in 7.62 NATO, launching a 150 grain bullet at 2700 FPS. I agree as others stated before, the two smaller padlocks present no issue. They should be compromised with little difficulty. The two large padlocks.
As I walked through the family room this morning, I noted my Weatherby video. I haven't watched it in years. Immediately I thought...that's where I saw the padlock commercial...in the beginning of that video!
So, I took the video to the living room and plugged it in. Just after the FBI warning, appears a Weatherby padlock commercial! If anyone wants to see the commercial, it is on the video that is titled, Weatherby Video Presents, "Hunting The Cape Buffalo", by Global Adventure Video. They used a .300 Wea. Mag. to shoot the lock. They had the lock mounted onto a piece of heavy steel using an eye hook. That padlock was not going to fly way unless it broke.
Most important, they show the angle of attack "shot placement"...it was angled. It was not a straight through the front. They then show the lock shattering in semi-slow speed. The shank remained flawlessly in-tact! But, the lock that Weatherby used in the commercial is not the heavy-duty lock. It was like the lock in the first set of pictures that has the label on it, “Tough Under Fire”. Now, the large black pad lock is designed the same. The difference is that it has a plastic shell 1/8” thick over the bottom to keep water and other elements off, and the top is shrouded in steel.
However, there is a massive energy difference between a 26” barreled, Mark V, chambered in .300 Wea. Mag. launching a 150 grain bullet at 3,600 FPS, versus the SA M1A “Loaded”, with a 22” barrel, chambered in 7.62 NATO, launching a 150 grain bullet at 2700 FPS. I agree as others stated before, the two smaller padlocks present no issue. They should be compromised with little difficulty. The two large padlocks.
If you want to open a padlock with a gun shoot downwards into the body between the shackle entries.
This puts all the loading onto the locking mechanism.
The shackles sometimes crack at the locking cuts, but most often the body just goes flying and you can remove the shackle from the hasp it is now hanging on.
Sometimes you can open them with a sledge hammer and a steel rod.
Place rod between shackle holes, strike with hammer.
This puts all the loading onto the locking mechanism.
The shackles sometimes crack at the locking cuts, but most often the body just goes flying and you can remove the shackle from the hasp it is now hanging on.
Sometimes you can open them with a sledge hammer and a steel rod.
Place rod between shackle holes, strike with hammer.
brickeyee:
Your explanation is correct, for almost all padlocks. Fortunately (unfortunate for this experiment) when Master™ fabricated these larger two locks, they had that technique in mind. These large locks are virtually (though not completely) pick-proof, hammer-proof, etc-proof. That's good for us most of the time. If you get some time, check the website that describes the locks.
I believe that the 2.25" silver lock will be extremely difficult to compromise with anything short of a .50 BMG (which I do not own). I believe that even my .300 Win. Mag. would fall short. I’m not even sure a .300 Wea. Mag. could compromise them. I do have some Winchester® Supreme, Fail Safe™, 150 Grain, .300 Win Mag. ammunition. Those of us who have checked this ammunition with a magnet know that it has a steel core that facilitates deep penetration and holds the round together. However, these padlocks are hammer-forged, heat-treated and shrouded in heat-treated steel. Yikes!
If I test this Winchester® Supreme, Fail Safe™ ammunition, I will have do set up the test inside of the old silo. The rationale should be self-evident. The potential for ricochet would be too high to do in the open, even with a backstop. An abandoned, covered silo would negate any risks of ricochets, and again, firing mechanically, I wouldn't be in any danger.
I have considered ordering some 180 grain, Barnes®, Monolithic Solids™ and handload them. That way, if all else fails, I should have some back up that should compromise them.
Thoughts about the loads, and thoughts about the angle of attack?
Doc2005
Your explanation is correct, for almost all padlocks. Fortunately (unfortunate for this experiment) when Master™ fabricated these larger two locks, they had that technique in mind. These large locks are virtually (though not completely) pick-proof, hammer-proof, etc-proof.
That's good for us most of the time. If you get some time, check the website that describes the locks.I believe that the 2.25" silver lock will be extremely difficult to compromise with anything short of a .50 BMG (which I do not own). I believe that even my .300 Win. Mag. would fall short. I’m not even sure a .300 Wea. Mag. could compromise them. I do have some Winchester® Supreme, Fail Safe™, 150 Grain, .300 Win Mag. ammunition. Those of us who have checked this ammunition with a magnet know that it has a steel core that facilitates deep penetration and holds the round together. However, these padlocks are hammer-forged, heat-treated and shrouded in heat-treated steel. Yikes!
If I test this Winchester® Supreme, Fail Safe™ ammunition, I will have do set up the test inside of the old silo. The rationale should be self-evident. The potential for ricochet would be too high to do in the open, even with a backstop. An abandoned, covered silo would negate any risks of ricochets, and again, firing mechanically, I wouldn't be in any danger.
I have considered ordering some 180 grain, Barnes®, Monolithic Solids™ and handload them. That way, if all else fails, I should have some back up that should compromise them.
Thoughts about the loads, and thoughts about the angle of attack?
Doc2005
skinnyguy
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Hey Doc, If you can't bust the lock with your rifles, there's always tannerite!!!!
I fall else fails, my one uncle owns a 28" barreled, Weatherby Mark V, chambered in .30-378 Weatherby Magnum. He handloads his rounds so hot that the primer pockets last only one firing. After that, he has to cut off the base, thread the base cartridge, and epoxy it into a stainless steel base he has custom-made.
Skinnyguy:
What is "...tannerite..."? I did a Google search :
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tannerite&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
...and did some reading. But, is the stuff really legal to own? Thanks for the info. I'll have to read up on it just for the sake of knowledge. Thanks for participating in this thread too. I appreciate your inputs.
Doc2005
What is "...tannerite..."? I did a Google search :
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tannerite&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
...and did some reading. But, is the stuff really legal to own? Thanks for the info. I'll have to read up on it just for the sake of knowledge. Thanks for participating in this thread too. I appreciate your inputs.
Doc2005
skinnyguy
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Yes, it IS totally legal to own. As I'm sure you noticed it's a binary explosive, and the components, harmless by themselves, are shipped seperately. Once mixed, it needs a high-power projectile to detonate it, and when it goes up, it's loud, it's smokey, and it's done. Very little flash and no fire.
And from all accounts I've heard, having never experienced it myself, it's FUN!!!
And from all accounts I've heard, having never experienced it myself, it's FUN!!!
JohnKSa:
Agreed. There are so many shots fired through center-of-mass. That does nothing. The Weatherby commercial shows the locks being attacked on an angle. From the front, the crosshair was placed just left of center, and quartering rear-ward to the right. With such an angle of attack, the projectile first impacts the outer edge of the locking mechancism, and subsequently impacts the right hand side of the shank.
That leaves two angles of attack unaddressed:
1: top-down
2: side-on
Agreed. There are so many shots fired through center-of-mass. That does nothing. The Weatherby commercial shows the locks being attacked on an angle. From the front, the crosshair was placed just left of center, and quartering rear-ward to the right. With such an angle of attack, the projectile first impacts the outer edge of the locking mechancism, and subsequently impacts the right hand side of the shank.
That leaves two angles of attack unaddressed:
1: top-down
2: side-on
Fellow The High Road Members:
Bingo! Here is the proper medicine for padlock dispatching:
http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/rifle/banded-solids/
165 grain, Barnes® Banded Solids ™. If these will not open a padlock, nothing else in .30 caliber will. I suspect that if handloaded in a .300 Winchester Magnum, these would net the penetration desired. However, as stated, ricochets. The silo will be a must.
Doc2005
Bingo! Here is the proper medicine for padlock dispatching:
http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/rifle/banded-solids/
165 grain, Barnes® Banded Solids ™. If these will not open a padlock, nothing else in .30 caliber will. I suspect that if handloaded in a .300 Winchester Magnum, these would net the penetration desired. However, as stated, ricochets. The silo will be a must.
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