Pakistani Arms Market
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RedLion
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well that's neat.
Looked like a good day shopping to me. Not my idea of 'range safety' but pretty cool.
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Interesting video of how the people live and what they do.
Just hope we are not legislated into a cottage industry like that here some day...........
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Just hope we are not legislated into a cottage industry like that here some day...........
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I can only say wow. It was nice to see a Pepsi machine in one bit. I haven't got any problem with the folks so long as they keep to their own backyard, it's the supporting of terrorists where I have a problem, if they are doing it.
I will admit I wish we had the kinds of prices they had. $50 for a 9mm Norinco Tokarev Repro, come on, I pay more than that in ammo once every two weeks, I'll take it. An original Russian AK for less than $300, I want.
It does show you that if they can do it over there, we could do it here in America. I'm almost finished with do my M70AB2 parts kit, just waiting on the drilled flats to arrive to bend them and heat treat them.
It'd be interesting to see how well fabricating guns en'masse would be recieved here, even if they are from junk and beat up parts.
I will admit I wish we had the kinds of prices they had. $50 for a 9mm Norinco Tokarev Repro, come on, I pay more than that in ammo once every two weeks, I'll take it. An original Russian AK for less than $300, I want.
It does show you that if they can do it over there, we could do it here in America. I'm almost finished with do my M70AB2 parts kit, just waiting on the drilled flats to arrive to bend them and heat treat them.
It'd be interesting to see how well fabricating guns en'masse would be recieved here, even if they are from junk and beat up parts.
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That scared me.
It was culture shock. I couldn't watch the whole thing.
The part that sticks out the most is the little kids hammering the live rounds together!
It was culture shock. I couldn't watch the whole thing.
The part that sticks out the most is the little kids hammering the live rounds together!
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I remember reading about the gun trade in that area in an older Guns Digest.
Yes it is interesting, and posted many times.
Currently those are the people our government is fighting.
That is the tribal area of Pakistan, outside actual Pakistani control.
They have a very old culture thousands of years old (the religion is only a relatively recent part of). In fact that part of the world is one of the oldest parts of all known civilization. While the Indus Valley has been resettled many times since the earliest known human history, the portions of the culture near the rugged mountains survived less changed because it was so difficult for others to travel.
Because they are spread through difficult mountainous regions, been resistant to conquest, and didn't depend an economic system controlled by outsiders (like modern currency based banking and trade, economics have conquered far more people in history than militaries ever did) they have remained relatively independent.
They have strong extended familes or tribes.
Loyalty means more than any material things or money.
They also know the world would assimilate them if possible, and they have a strong culture of resisting that.
National borders are predominantly modern political creations, and in many places do not reflect the actual different cultures and regions of people.
The Kyber Pass is famous throughout history, long before the nation of Pakistan existed.
However that very culture and ancient history of resistance makes the area a great harbor for people like Bin Laden. They will not betray a man they hardly know who has million dollar bounties on his head that could buy more wealth than they would see in a lifetime.
They resist outside pressure, even pressure from the most powerful empires and nations on earth they have little chance of defeating.
Technicaly they are in the borders of Pakistan, but those are political borders, not cultural.
They most recently defeat the Soviet Union, with western help, and were the final straw in the cold war that broke the USSR. Much of the insurgent element was actualy trained by the CIA and the ISI to defeat better equiped more powerful modern forces.
The very same people that today are who our nation fights.
It is unlikely thier way of life will remain when our nation is done with them. They will be "modernized" or they will be destroyed.
They will submit to a financial system and way of life that puts them under control of people the rest of the world can work with (politicly, economicly, and with military pressure), and thier way of life will cease one way or another.
Whether the Pakistani government is pressured to accomplish it, or American soldiers, or even capital backed private militias.
They are bombed daily, from both the Pakistani government and US aircraft. Special forces troops are deployed against them regularly, of course usualy unofficialy when they are American as that is Pakistani territory, not Afghan.
In the meantime it is an interesting look at what freedom was like 200 years ago. Not too much different than the early US frontier.
Currently those are the people our government is fighting.
That is the tribal area of Pakistan, outside actual Pakistani control.
They have a very old culture thousands of years old (the religion is only a relatively recent part of). In fact that part of the world is one of the oldest parts of all known civilization. While the Indus Valley has been resettled many times since the earliest known human history, the portions of the culture near the rugged mountains survived less changed because it was so difficult for others to travel.
Because they are spread through difficult mountainous regions, been resistant to conquest, and didn't depend an economic system controlled by outsiders (like modern currency based banking and trade, economics have conquered far more people in history than militaries ever did) they have remained relatively independent.
They have strong extended familes or tribes.
Loyalty means more than any material things or money.
They also know the world would assimilate them if possible, and they have a strong culture of resisting that.
National borders are predominantly modern political creations, and in many places do not reflect the actual different cultures and regions of people.
The Kyber Pass is famous throughout history, long before the nation of Pakistan existed.
However that very culture and ancient history of resistance makes the area a great harbor for people like Bin Laden. They will not betray a man they hardly know who has million dollar bounties on his head that could buy more wealth than they would see in a lifetime.
They resist outside pressure, even pressure from the most powerful empires and nations on earth they have little chance of defeating.
Technicaly they are in the borders of Pakistan, but those are political borders, not cultural.
They most recently defeat the Soviet Union, with western help, and were the final straw in the cold war that broke the USSR. Much of the insurgent element was actualy trained by the CIA and the ISI to defeat better equiped more powerful modern forces.
The very same people that today are who our nation fights.
It is unlikely thier way of life will remain when our nation is done with them. They will be "modernized" or they will be destroyed.
They will submit to a financial system and way of life that puts them under control of people the rest of the world can work with (politicly, economicly, and with military pressure), and thier way of life will cease one way or another.
Whether the Pakistani government is pressured to accomplish it, or American soldiers, or even capital backed private militias.
They are bombed daily, from both the Pakistani government and US aircraft. Special forces troops are deployed against them regularly, of course usualy unofficialy when they are American as that is Pakistani territory, not Afghan.
In the meantime it is an interesting look at what freedom was like 200 years ago. Not too much different than the early US frontier.
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Ohio Gun Guy
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WOW! That's hard core. Thats makes red-necks look tame! 
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I have seen the video before. Amazing. A Chinese Tokarev 9mm handmade for $50. Ha.
I don't however agree with Zoogster. I agree with the guy who took the trip. They will continue to do whatever they please.
I don't however agree with Zoogster. I agree with the guy who took the trip. They will continue to do whatever they please.
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We already know how it's received here. The BATFE frowns upon this most fiercely.
I believe it's called "illegal manufacture of firearms", and in order to do so legally, you must first obtain a FFL, then submit various forms and documents and receive permission from the BATFE.
Then, you probably won't be manufacturing them for very long after they blow up and take out half of your skull. Either that, or get sued for selling them to someone who does. These Pakistani's who are doing this are obviously experienced enough to avoid the former, and evidently could care less about the latter.
statelineblues
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I would love to know how much one of those Lugers was going for...
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Probably real cheap, however what value do you place on limb and life?
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So are the boys in the video reloading or making new rounds? Those look like 7.62x39 rounds with copper cases. I would like to know where they get berdan primers and ship some here... If they use berdan.
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I don't know, but they looked like they were basically pouring in powder and hammering on bullets with some kind of seating die (probably from a huge press, without the press).
The kids looked like they were proficient at what they were doing, I guess if that is all they do most of the day, they would get good at it.
The kids looked like they were proficient at what they were doing, I guess if that is all they do most of the day, they would get good at it.
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looks almost like they are reloading with some kind of Lee loader?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEl9wZyabc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEl9wZyabc
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Yeah, you are right, that is what it looks like. I could never see doing it that way. I prefer a press and do each step the same for 50 or 100 at a time.
I wouldn't be able to keep using my hands and the hammering and all, it would upset my carpal tunnel syndrome.
I wouldn't be able to keep using my hands and the hammering and all, it would upset my carpal tunnel syndrome.
That circa 18XX British percussion rifle would be the best buy, just for the history alone.
Zoogster:
Afghanistan (which included Pakistan and the Indus) has been invaded by foreign nations since Alexander and has never once been defeated.
I can't recall the guys name but GB through the East India Co. sent one the first anthropologists to explore Afghanistan in 1837. He interviewed an Afghan elder in his 60's who stated, (from my memory), "We can live with death, we can live with starvation, we can live with blood, but we can never live with a foreign master".
Zoogster:
Afghanistan (which included Pakistan and the Indus) has been invaded by foreign nations since Alexander and has never once been defeated.
I can't recall the guys name but GB through the East India Co. sent one the first anthropologists to explore Afghanistan in 1837. He interviewed an Afghan elder in his 60's who stated, (from my memory), "We can live with death, we can live with starvation, we can live with blood, but we can never live with a foreign master".
Beagle-zebub
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The weirdest part of that video is the pistol-smith who's had his tongue cut out. Bet that reduces the amount of productivity lost to water-cooler conversation!
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