Ratdog68
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They all look octagonal to moi.
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oneiron
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The rounds look very small. I wonder what caliber they are.
oneiron
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I shot my R&D conversion Remington today. It is the best shooting revolver I have ever shot. It shot to point of aim, and the load I used 6.1 grs Unique 230 pure lead bullet used for CASS and sold by Cabela's was so soft to shoot. I think this load is about the same as the 45ACP, but it did not kick like a 1911.
I was using the Schofield case and maybe it was to tight of a fit. It is very hard to get the cylinder in the frame with charged cartridges. Midway has posted on it's web site 45 colt brass will be available by Aug 31th. Maybe the cylinder will load easier with 45 colt brass. Empty the cylinder slips in and out very easy.
I like this Schofield load. You can shoot it all day and not get fatigued.
I was using the Schofield case and maybe it was to tight of a fit. It is very hard to get the cylinder in the frame with charged cartridges. Midway has posted on it's web site 45 colt brass will be available by Aug 31th. Maybe the cylinder will load easier with 45 colt brass. Empty the cylinder slips in and out very easy.
I like this Schofield load. You can shoot it all day and not get fatigued.
BHP FAN
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The .45 Colt rims tend to be a bit thinner,which should make rolling the loaded R&D cylinder into the frame easier.I had one on a Euroarms that was that way about Schofield brass...
oneiron
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problems
Now that I have put more rounds through the converted 58, I notice that there is some creep in the trigger. another problem is that when you place in in half cock and then advance to full cock and let the hammer down on the empty chamber, the cylinder moved backward in travel rather than staying locked up. It does not do it if you have a percussion cylinder in the frame. It stays locked .
Any advice as to how I can get the creep out of the trigger? The Bolt has me stumped. The only thing that can move the cylinder is the Hand. The friction of the hand downward motion must be moving the cylinder backward.
Now that I have put more rounds through the converted 58, I notice that there is some creep in the trigger. another problem is that when you place in in half cock and then advance to full cock and let the hammer down on the empty chamber, the cylinder moved backward in travel rather than staying locked up. It does not do it if you have a percussion cylinder in the frame. It stays locked .
Any advice as to how I can get the creep out of the trigger? The Bolt has me stumped. The only thing that can move the cylinder is the Hand. The friction of the hand downward motion must be moving the cylinder backward.
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Das Jaeger
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Be a little
more purposeful when your cocking that beast , its not a gun to cock gentle , throw the hammer back with a little effort . Whats happening is the hand is doing exactly what your describing, its dragging the cylinder backwards before it locks into battery . Its not catching the cylinder into the stops yet and that gentle cocking isn't working for ya .
I had one Pietta 58 do this too , I bent the hand spring less than it was so it would not advance the hand as much onto the cylinder which took out the back dragging also , worked fine after that . I have never had good luck
with soft cocking my gun
Your timing may be just ever so slightly off too .
Oh , and you need trigger work . Sounds like tis just gettin worn to me and you need to hone all that back into shape , nice sharp shapes
Smoooooth sharp shapes Worst case scenario , new trigger new hammer .
Jaeger
more purposeful when your cocking that beast , its not a gun to cock gentle , throw the hammer back with a little effort . Whats happening is the hand is doing exactly what your describing, its dragging the cylinder backwards before it locks into battery . Its not catching the cylinder into the stops yet and that gentle cocking isn't working for ya .
I had one Pietta 58 do this too , I bent the hand spring less than it was so it would not advance the hand as much onto the cylinder which took out the back dragging also , worked fine after that . I have never had good luck
with soft cocking my gun
Your timing may be just ever so slightly off too .
Oh , and you need trigger work . Sounds like tis just gettin worn to me and you need to hone all that back into shape , nice sharp shapes
Smoooooth sharp shapes Worst case scenario , new trigger new hammer . Jaeger
oneiron
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It works
Das Jueger, you were right. A little for force on cocking solved the problem. This gun has less than 100 rounds through it. Not even broke in.
Thanks for the help.
Das Jueger, you were right. A little for force on cocking solved the problem. This gun has less than 100 rounds through it. Not even broke in.
Thanks for the help.
Das Jaeger
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Cheerios ,
if it gets worse , tis gonna need to be re-timed a tad bit . And if you start messin with taking too much off the sear and trigger-hammer surfaces it will effect the timing greatly too , go slow Little at a time or you'll be in trouble .
Have fun shootin , sounds like ya are ..I know it gets frustrating when the gun don't run right , all these Italian guns need a little tweekin , eventually or right out of the box .
Jaeger
if it gets worse , tis gonna need to be re-timed a tad bit . And if you start messin with taking too much off the sear and trigger-hammer surfaces it will effect the timing greatly too , go slow Little at a time or you'll be in trouble . Have fun shootin , sounds like ya are
..I know it gets frustrating when the gun don't run right , all these Italian guns need a little tweekin , eventually or right out of the box . Jaeger
Maybe I'm crazy but in the picture he is holding a cylinder loaded with rimfires? When I was in Hollywood we used 5 in 1 blanks that were centerfires. 5 in 1 = 38/40,44/40,.45 lc.44,.44mag. ANy way it looks like custom made rimfires to me.
oneiron
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Help
Is there a trick to getting the after market main spring in the slot at the bottom left of the frame. I tried all day with no success?
Is there a trick to getting the after market main spring in the slot at the bottom left of the frame. I tried all day with no success?
Das Jaeger
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Mmmm
maybe , what problem are you having ?
If its too fat to put in the slot , getta filing ! I would file the spring not the gun , or you just ruined the gun to ever take a stock spring . Well , not one without a shim that tis .
Now if your having a hard time puttin the spring under the roller and then into the slot, I use a pair of soft face pliers for that . Just get it started that way then brass hammer it over into the slot to center it . A slight tweek onthe spring aint gonna hurt, it tweaks all the time when cocking . Also onthe Remington , make sure the adjsutment tension screw for the spring is backed out all the way out of the slot of course .
Good luck and I hope that helped ya ?
Jaeger
maybe , what problem are you having ?
If its too fat to put in the slot , getta filing !
I would file the spring not the gun , or you just ruined the gun to ever take a stock spring . Well , not one without a shim that tis . Now if your having a hard time puttin the spring under the roller and then into the slot, I use a pair of soft face pliers for that . Just get it started that way then brass hammer it over into the slot to center it . A slight tweek on
the spring aint gonna hurt, it tweaks all the time when cocking . Also onthe Remington , make sure the adjsutment tension screw for the spring is backed out all the way out of the slot of course . Good luck and I hope that helped ya ?
Jaeger
oneiron
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You may have to make a tool to do it with. Perhaps a piece of steel bar or rod, with a slot hacksawed into it at the right place, that you can hook over that spring and then have some leverage to *gently* bend it with. Sometimes the most frustrating tasks can be easily done with a simple tool.
Das Jaeger
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I dont
see why you couldn't put the spring in , then install the hammer , brute force may be required
Jaeger
see why you couldn't put the spring in , then install the hammer , brute force may be required
Jaeger
oneiron
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Success
I got in in after I read your post. I can't believe how much better the action is. All the creep is gone. I am going to measure the trigger pull tomorrow. I bet it will be about two pounds.
I used pliers like you said and just taped it in. Today it was easy. Yesterday I could not tap it in to save my life.
I got in in after I read your post. I can't believe how much better the action is. All the creep is gone. I am going to measure the trigger pull tomorrow. I bet it will be about two pounds.
I used pliers like you said and just taped it in. Today it was easy. Yesterday I could not tap it in to save my life.
Ratdog68
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Don't it feel good when it finally goes together like it's supposed to? Nice job.
Das Jaeger
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Success !
Triumphant over a peice of freekin Metal , you win , today !
Right on ! Now go shoot it and post some piccys and all for us heathens .
Jaeger
Triumphant over a peice of freekin Metal , you win , today !
Right on ! Now go shoot it and post some piccys and all for us heathens .
Jaeger
oneiron
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My new main spring slipped
I had a good day of shooting yesterday. I was trying to hit a paper plate from 50 yards. Now one hit. I could hear the bullets striking wood, and the best I can figure is that the gun was shooting low about a foot. Loaded up another twenty five rounds for tomorrow. got to find me another cross member to hang my targets on. The one I was using rotted out. Got me a 30 inch square of brown paper with bull eyes on it. If I can't hit that I am going to give up.
After shooting I was cleaning the gun, and put a drop of oil at the base of the hammer where that little roller is and pulled the hammer back and the spring came out from under the roller. Had to take the gun apart just to get it back on.
I am going to have to remember that if I get in a gun fight not to use the 1858 Remington with that spring. Sure as time passes that spring would come off the hammer again.
I had a good day of shooting yesterday. I was trying to hit a paper plate from 50 yards. Now one hit. I could hear the bullets striking wood, and the best I can figure is that the gun was shooting low about a foot. Loaded up another twenty five rounds for tomorrow. got to find me another cross member to hang my targets on. The one I was using rotted out. Got me a 30 inch square of brown paper with bull eyes on it. If I can't hit that I am going to give up.
After shooting I was cleaning the gun, and put a drop of oil at the base of the hammer where that little roller is and pulled the hammer back and the spring came out from under the roller. Had to take the gun apart just to get it back on.
I am going to have to remember that if I get in a gun fight not to use the 1858 Remington with that spring. Sure as time passes that spring would come off the hammer again.
Das Jaeger
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That's no good
Oneiron
Must be a way to put a light groove into the flat of the tip of that spring with a moto-tool grinder wheel for that roller to roll on it better and actually stay there ? That sucker must be mighty light for it to slip sideways off the roller ? Makes me think the base of the spring is loose in the slot , check her I would .
When I start sightin a new gun in Oneiron , I start at 10 Meters to see where it's hitting first , then move out , saves allot of ammo and scratchin your head . ...Most of the time I move it out 10 meters at a time because the bullet is just getting going and is useually rising still . ..But , starting up close will at least tell ya where the bullets are going . Your on the right track with the large target though , that will help
Good luck , thanks for the update , been wondering about that gun .
Das Jaeger
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Must be a way to put a light groove into the flat of the tip of that spring with a moto-tool grinder wheel for that roller to roll on it better and actually stay there ? That sucker must be mighty light for it to slip sideways off the roller ? Makes me think the base of the spring is loose in the slot , check her I would .
When I start sightin a new gun in Oneiron , I start at 10 Meters to see where it's hitting first , then move out , saves allot of ammo and scratchin your head .
...Most of the time I move it out 10 meters at a time because the bullet is just getting going and is useually rising still . ..But , starting up close will at least tell ya where the bullets are going . Your on the right track with the large target though , that will help Good luck , thanks for the update , been wondering about that gun .
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