Para Ordance Model P14 45 Questions???? I NEED HELP!

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HELP! I have a Friend trying his Best to trade me a Para Model P-14 45 acp in Stainless and I know NOTHING about the P-14. He states its a Double action with NO Hammer? Its Stainless and is a Double Stack? Thats ALL I Know!

He said he has two and wants to get rid of one! He says its only had 14 rounds fired through it and he cleaned it and put it away and its perfect! With the Correct Box Papers ETC 2 factory 14 round mags all included.

Whats it worth in say 98% Cond.? What did it sell for new?

He told me he paid over a Grand for it about a year ago BRAND NEW! And he's in his early 60's and I trust him! But do or did they sell for that much?

PLEASE HELP! My Blue Book is a 2-3 years old and I can't rely on it!

I need Info and Pricing! And are they Shooters? I want a High Cap 45 for the range!

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THANKS in Advance!
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[wally]

Around here good used ones go for $500-600 at gun shows. The LDA may may carry a premum in your neck of the woods, but around here it makes it less desireable pushing prices to the low side.

They are great range guns, but I don't recommend them for defense because of magazine issues -- a propensity for the rounds to bind at the single to double stack transition leading to "nose up jam" feed failures. This is one of the worst to clear time wise. Stronger Wolff magazine springs and keeping them clean helps, but all 16 of my Para .45 mags have this problem form time to time (I've a P14, P13, and P10 along with a Springfield P12 clone and an Armscor P14 clone, as I said they are great range guns).

--wally.

 

[glocker1911]

I've never seen a new P14 sell for over $1000. Around here, a new LDA doublestack sells for $7-750. Used, I agree $5-600 sounds about right. The LDA trigger pull seems to be pretty decent, but as mentioned, Para double stacks do have some feed issues related to their mags. I personally would stick with a single stack 1911. If you feel the need for higher capacity, there is always a Glock 21 or the new XD45, both of which are more dependable than a Para. (yes, I have owned Para's in the past, BTW. Never again.)

 

[Moonclips]

The Para OEM hi-cap mags suck - FTF's. The Mec-Gars which sell for less are more reliable although they are harder to seat and you really have to slam them in place.

BTW, the price your friend paid for it originally was too high.

 

[SouthpawShootr]

My father bought an P14 LDA in late 2004 (I think it was in November). Paid right at $800 (that's out the door, sales tax included). These things are in the local shops every now and again and I've never seen anything higher the $800 on them.

I'd surf the gun auction sites and maybe look at Paras retail prices (which will, most times, be grossly in excess of what these guns are actually going for).

 

[Marshall]

He says its only had 14 rounds fired through it and he cleaned it and put it away and its perfect! With the Correct Box Papers ETC 2 factory 14 round mags all included.

Whats it worth in say 98% Cond.? What did it sell for new?

Why would this be considered only 98% condition?

 

[orionengnr]

P-14 LDA

First, we have a P-14 LDA(his) and a Tac-Four(hers; 13 round stainless double-stack LDA). I bought both brand new two years ago. Paid about $700 for the Tac-Four (it was just out at the time so I probably over-paid). Paid about $550 for the P-14. Both on GunBroker, same dealer, I could find it if you PM me or just do a search on GunBroker for Para LDA.

BTW, I've had zero malfunctions with either LDA (excepting some crap A-Merc ammo I tried to feed the P-14.

I really like the LDA trigger, but the P-14 with a full mag weighs a bit much for a CCW. My C-6 fills that role nicely

 

[S&W10mm]

Para P-14 LDA

Why would this be considered only 98% condition?

Marshall: I was being over generous rating a Fired Gun at 98%! Once it leaves a store Brand New I consider it Used and Handled and should consider it about 95% or LESS, being its been shot.

But he's a Well Known Collector in my area and he's 64 years old and takes REAL Good care of his stuff! He's the only reason I would consider it 98% because he handles his stuff with Kid Gloves.

I see BRAND New Guns in dealers Display cases that are BRAND NEW and I wouldn't EVER rate them 98% after being Handled 100's of times and cycled or racked by Customers that know NOTHING about a Firearm, much less how to handle one (Dry Fired, Cycled, Racked, ETC). And I would NEVER EVER rate a Gun wagged from Gun Show To Gun Show 100% besides being Handled by 100's of un-knowing customers, and the beating they get from being packed and un-packed from their boxes and then thrown in BIG Plastic Tubs or in other boxes and off to the next gun show. I've carried guns for years and they'll have and show LESS wear than some NEW guns I see at Gun Shows!

I'm NOT trying to be a SMART , I'm just stating my opinion, of what I feel when I hear or see people over rate their guns! I go to dozens of Gun Shows a year and see someone toten a gun and I'll ask the price, and first thing they say is, "It Books for Such 'n Such at 100%" come on, its a 15 year old gun, thats been shot, with NO Box Or Papers and they tell me its a 100% Gun! And then tell me TOP $$ ++! I just smile and walk away! I just looked at their maybe 85% gun!

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[1KPerDay]

In my experience, Para-Ordnance makes excellent, reliable guns. Some here hate them for some reason (probably because the frames are cast, not forged, and they aren't made by Colt).

I had a P14-45 Stainless (not an LDA) and I liked it. I bought it used and traded it simply because it had some scratches that I didn't put there and it bothered me. I wanted a new gun, so I bought a P14-45 Limited. _Awesome_ gun.

If yours is a standard LDA (no "limited" stuff or other enhancements), I wouldn't pay $1000 for it. I think I paid $400 for my stainless P14, but that was 10 years ago and it did show some wear). I think I paid about $900 for my limited, new, but I have a buddy with an FFL and he gave me a deal.

I have never had ANY failures to feed or any jams of any sort. Old mags, new mags, new gun, used gun, 14-round or 15-round mag... always went bang.

YMMV, etc.

 

[striker3]

I bought a P14LDA blued in 2003 for $525. It was used with about 300 rounds through it. I have since put about 8-900 more rounds through it without a single FTF. The only thing I do not like about it is the LDA trigger pull, to much slack on both the pull and the reset.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

You chaps are all confusing the nomenclature.

Para base-level single action pistols are the P-series (as in P14.45). The enhanced, Limited single actions are the S-series (S14.45).

There's no such critter as a P14 LDA. The double actions are LDAs ... period. No 'P' to go with it. So if this pistol is a double action, then it is properly designated as a 14.45 LDA (or something like that).

If it's a standard LDA it's worth around $600 clams. If it's a Limited it's worth more, but I'd be hard pressed to think it might be worth $1000 or more. The LDAs do have a hammer, but the hammer has no spur so it sits flush with the back end of the slide except when it is actually being cycled. You do NOT manually cock a Para LDA pistol. Period. The spur was shaved off for two reasons: (1) people liked to try to cock it, even though you ain't s'posed to do that; and (2) the carry mode for the LDAs is hammer down, so the hammer spur didn't allow the use of holsters with a strap designed to ride UNDER the cocked hammer of a single action 1911. With the spur shaved off, the strap goes right over the hammer and standard 1911 holsters work fine.

BTW -- if I recall the Blue Book correctly, a gun that has been sold at retail cannot be better than 98% even if factory perfect, and as soon as the first buyer shoots it the condition drops to 95%. There are a lot of guns out there that are over-rated as to condition.

 

[kkramer673]

I bought a new Hi-Cap 45 with the LDA trigger in December and paid $825 before sales tax. Right out of the box, it's been flawless. I've probably put about 600 rounds of 230 gr FMJ without any type of malfunction at all. And it is dead-nuts accurate. I've had no magazine problems (I use four different 14 rounders at various times) and the power extractor works with 100% reliability.

 

[Marshall]

I'm sorry for my ignorance.

I thought a rating of a gun was a rating as to it's condition in order to assist in determining worth, not as to it's worth. It was described as perfect and perfect, according to Modern Gun Values is, "used in new condition but could be lacking box and/or accessories". At 98% it would have deteriorated it's new condition by 2% or had 2% of it's life used up. If so, I wouldn't call it perfect. However, I wouldn't think 14 rounds shot, and perfect in every way, would constitute only 98%. Even using numbers, if it's life is just 15,000 rounds, 14 rounds is only .0009333% of it, not 2%.

If new is 100% and the minute a gun is shot once it becomes a 95% gun, it would mean the gun lost 5% of it's condition. I don't see how?

Of course one shot lessens the value by at least 5% but, that's not condition.

I'm glad I am learning.

 

[Longbow]

I have a Para LDA fullsize That I could not get to jam. I hate the trigger though, but its darn reliable (so far?). I bought it used. It was a rental gun on my local range/gunstore, so no telling how many rounds went through it. I paid $300 for it, a price I couldn't refuse, at the time.

 

[71Commander]

The Para OEM hi-cap mags suck - FTF's. The Mec-Gars which sell for less are more reliable although they are harder to seat and you really have to slam them in place.

BTW, the price your friend paid for it originally was too high.

Have to disagree here. The OEM mags are great. The OEM mag springs suck. First thing I did was replace them with Wolfe springs. They work fine.

 

[Realleycat]

I bought a used (5 years old ) P-12.45 last year. It had about 200 rounds through it. It had FTF and had trouble locking open on the last round. Replaced all three magazines with Wolff Springs. Worked fine until the magazines started falling out when shooting. Original magazine catch was made of plastic and was worn from being pushed on by a metal magazine. Replaced that with a metal one from Para and replaced the recoil and firing pin springs while I was at it.

Gun runs fine now. Nice trigger and very accurate. Nice carry gun, even though it is a little heavy with 13 rounds of 45 ammo. Bought a Watch Six and now the weight doesn't bother me at all. I just orderd a Def Con for it from Brommeland for the times I want to wear OWB.

 

[1KPerDay]

You chaps are all confusing the nomenclature.

Para base-level single action pistols are the P-series (as in P14.45). The enhanced, Limited single actions are the S-series (S14.45).