lipadj46 wrote:
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My Mark 4 needs
I do not consider the mk4's a mid priced scope either. $ for $ the Zeiss is a better scope and has better glass. Compare apple to apples here. There are better European scopes closer in price to the Mk4s that wipe the floor with the Leupolds IMO.
lipadj46,
No offense, but you utterly missed the point of my post.
I was not suggesting that:
a: ) a Mark 4 was mid-priced.
b: ) an apples to apples comparison should be made
What I WAS doing was illustrating internal range of adjustment issues. I used my Mark 4 as a reference point that even what I would consider the entry-point to high-end optics may not have as much internal adjustment to work with. I used it as an example of one that DID at least have enough adjustment for a 100 yard zero and movement to dial out to 1,000 with a 20MOA base.
The Ziess Conquest can't do that.
It doesn't matter for 99% of the people out there, but there are some that are thinking that they would have that capability. Hopefully, what I wrote helps those people from making a mistake.
I'm not "picking on" the Conquest. I frankly think that the Conquests that I've seen perhaps have brighter glass than I have in the Mark 4. As a hunting optic, the Conquest is probably the best optic for the price. However, when you start ordering M1 knobs for it and trying to make something out of it that is simply isn't, you can run into a situation where what you buy can't do what you envision it to do.
I'm also not tauting Leupold over other European optics. But before you suggest what could wipe the floor with anything else, you have to define the criteria.
A lot of those European optics that you are likely thinking about beat the hell out of Leupold in terms of brightness, clarity, etc. But they do not have the capibilities of the Leupold in terms of adjustment range, etc.-- IF that is what you NEED. Those that DO are NOT in the same price tier as Leupold's.
For instance...
A Kahles has much brighter glass then a Mark 4. But it isn't set up for tactical purposes. It is a hunting optic.
At the same time, if adjustment range IS needed more than brightness, there ARE mid-prices optics that "wipe the floor" with the Ziess Conquest and even some of the High-end European optics. A Supersniper optic has between 120-130 MOA of adjustment, but isn't the brightest optic you will find.
But if a person needs apples, only an apple will work. An bushell of oranges won't make up for the lack of the apple.
I'd like to be clear on this: A Leupold isn't the end-all of optics, and you will never hear me say that. I needed a tactical optic when I got my Mark 4. I see it as the entry-point of the high-end tactical optics. That's it. I like Leupold's customer service, but there are other companies that offer good customer service as well.
You haven't been on THR long enough to answer these same questions repeatedly. I'd hate to know the number of times that this same question and then the subsequent questions regarding optics comes up around here. Sometimes, I answer not just the question that is asked but also the questions that I know are BEING ASKED by those reading these threads, and perhaps those helps people asking similar questions.
-- John
