Parker hale 22-250

[earthmover]

hi all,
as i said in a earlier post i am thinking of getting a .22-250 and after searching around the gun dealers i have come across two rifle,s the first is a parker hale 22-250 and the second is a CZ.223,as i am new to the big rifles,could any of you lads give me some information on these guns,i want something that will take a fox down at 100 to 300 yards,is parker hale a good make and i know that CZ is another name for BRNO,as i have a CZ .22 rimfire already,looking forward to your replys,
Earthmover

 

[uk roe hunter]

hi earth mover,
parker hale are a good solidly made rifle. i have one in .30-06. But they are heavy, old fashioned and not currently trendy. If you can live with that you will find a really solid, super accurate rifles. they have a great classical mauser forced feed action. quality barrels, if it is pretty good condition it will shoot groups all day.
cz are also good rifles, they are a bit more modern in thier appearance. in performance both are good. I would suggest that you go for the one that has least shots through it. or is in better condition or if the condition is similar then the cheapest.

uk

 

[earthmover]

thanks UK,the parker hale is a second hand rifle and the CZ is still in the box,would the CZ have the killing power at 100 to 300 yards using the right ammunition on fox

 

[rangerruck]

I love Parker hales, they are typically during, and post ww2 , English made rifles.
the stocks are usually beautiful wood, with excellent fit and finish. the English are pretty fanatic about their stocks, and the way they are designed, so that they properly disperse and redirect recoil. They are typically made on mauser actions, a lot of times on the czech vz 24 actions, which are the best.
Their bluing on themetal is usually very deep, and mirror like. They will only increase in value. Their accuracy will rival anything made today, including cz's, and this is coming from someone who is a big fan of cz, and have two of their rifles, and two of their pistols. The parker hale also usually has a very good , crisp trigger.
So from the standpoint of having a lifetime, pass it down to the grankids, increased in value rifle, that will be accurate right now, and for a long time coming, I would actually go with the P/H. I had one in 308, and it had a right handed stock, and though i am lefty, it shot out of this world. Mine was a ultra lite, that was actually sold through Montgomery Wards, and stamped that way, on the bbl.

 

[Shawnee]

Personally, it's absolutely clear to me that your three best options in this decision are (in order)...

#1 - Buy the Parker - Hale

#2 - Buy the Parker - Hale

#3 - Buy the Parker - Hale

 

[hacksaw]

If saving the hides is a concern you may want to check and see if any of the .17 calibers are available in your area. The varmint hunters who keep/sell their coyote and fox hides swear by them as being easy on the hides and having next to no recoil and low report.

 

[earthmover]

thanks lads for the answers,i have organized a shot with both these rifles during the week so i will let you all know how i got on,as for as for saving on the fox hides ,thats a big no,i have permission to shoot on a farm of 600 arces of sheep and cattle country on condition i keep the fox population under control so a rifle that can give me a extra edge over my .22 rimfire would suit me best,

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Both would be very good choices. Personally I'd buy the Parker Hale of the prices are roughly the same, if for no other reason than just to get something different, as I already have a bunch of CZs. But both calibers and both rifles are high quality. Either will kill a fox at 300 yards. Good luck, laddie.

 

[mpmarty]

If you plan to reload and as a varmint shooter you should, go with the P/H in 22/250 as opposed to the CZ in 223. Much better ballistics, easier to reload and duplicating milder loads like 223 your barrel will live forever.

 

[earthmover]

thanks everyone for your replys,just on a last note,when you say to target it in at 3 over at a 100 yards does that mean that she will be dead on target at 250 yards,and what would she be like at less than 100 yards.

 

[Shawnee]

You want it about 1.6" high at 100yds., not 3" high.

Here is data for the Hornady 50-gr. V-max factory ammo...


50yds. 0.4" high (above the point of aim)

100yds. 1.6" high

200yds 1.5" high

250yds. dead on the point of aim

300yds. 2.7" low (below the point of aim)

400yds. 12.3" low

500yds. 29.0" low
_______________________________________________

As you can see - you can use that sighting and have essentially the same point of aim anywhere out to 300 yds. without having a variance of more than 3" - and that ain't much at 300yds.

You can find data for other loads by using the Ballistics resource feature on the Hornady website (www.Hornady.com). Click on either "ammo" or "bullets" and the ballisitics calculator will be one of the urls in the column on the left. Just plug in the numbers.
However - the 1.6" high impact at 100 yds. will serve you very well with most of the loads for .22/250 as there won't be any major differences in most of them.

Good luck.

 

[bogie]

How much does the fellow want for the Parker Hale?

What kind of barrel is on it?

Can you buy a good aftermarket trigger?

 

[uk roe hunter]

i notice by your tag you are in ROI, what are ammo prices like there? in the uk the .223 would be far cheaper to run. most of the guys here are from usa where parker hales are a rarity. over here they are everywhere you can pick them up for £200 or under.
.223 is a great foxing round and will have ample power for your needs. But don't under rate the parker hale, in thier time they were the premier stalking rifles in the UK. they went out of production in the 80's i think.

steve

 

[earthmover]

thanks lads,
this guy is looking 370 euro for the parker hale 22-250 which is second hand and 750 euro for the CZ.223 which is brand new,steve the price of ammo is fairly cheap here,but thats only for ammo for my .22,it runs about 5 euro a box of 50 eley and the same for cci,i will find out more during the week about ammo when i try out these two rifles,looking forward to getting a look at these two rifles,when buying a second hand rifle,what are the things you look for[as in faults]and how would you know if the barrel has had a lot of rounds run through it.

 

[uk roe hunter]

look at the muzzle, if the crown is in good condition with no "scabs" and the rifling looks nice and sharp. get the gunshop owner to have a good look over it and give you an honest opinion. look at the bolt face that should be nice and smooth, look at the bolt handle see how worn it is, also the bearing surfaces where the bolt runs.

steve

 

[earthmover]

Thanks Steve,i will take a note of them,Shawnee,i read your post,very interesting and thank you,just one question,at 250 yards she is bang on target but at 400 yards she is rising a little over a foot high,or am i reading it wrong,

 

[Shawnee]

"low, below point of aim" means it has dropped that distance below the point of aim. At 400yds. the bullet will strike 12.3" underneath the point of aim. At 500 yds. it will be 29' underneath the point of aim.

"Point of Aim" is the spot on the target upon which you are holding the intersection of the scope's crosshairs.

Imagine a paper target with a round "bullseye" on it at 400yds. If you align the crosshair intersection on the bullseye and fire, the bullet will hit the target paper 12.3" below the bullseye.

 

[win71]

Take the Parker

There must be quite an import tax on that CZ. At today’s exchange rate it is about $1187.00 U.S. I think the Parker is a better rifle even at $585.00 U.S.
I have 3 CZ's and one Brno. Although the CZ's are manufactured in the old Brno facilities they are not the same rifles.

 

[earthmover]

Thanks Shawnee for your reply,i knew i was reading it wrong and thought i would ask you,yes 12 3"inches is not bad for 400 yards not that i would be shooting that far,but its good to know,so if i was to target it in,what target would i use it at,50,100,150 or 200 yards.

 

[earthmover]

yes Win71,with the rate of exchange here the import tax and the goverment tax,they all add up,thats why they call our country RIP OF IRELAND

 

[Shawnee]

"...what target would i use it at,50,100,150 or 200 yards."


I don't know what distances you have availabe to shoot at on a measured range, but you could just shoot it at 100yds. and adjust it until it was impacting approximately 1.6" above the point of aim and then trust it for the other ranges. It will work fine.

At the longer ranges you will have to be more concerned with the wind than with the bullet drop. You know the drop distance from the chart but you have to guess the wind speed and a modest 7mph cross-breeze will move your bullet off 2 or 3 inches at 200yds. and 6 or 7 inches at 300yds.

 

[earthmover]

thank you Shawnee,i understand now,target it in 1 1/2 inches over the point of impact at 100 yards,so then it should be bang on at 200 and 250 yards,but any further i will have to rise the rifle 2 7" inches at 300 yards,

 

[earthmover]

Ok lads sorry for not getting back to you earlier,but the gunsmith that was selling the p/h 22-250 and the CZ.223 had bad news that his mother had passed away and he had to put showing me these two rifles on hold,and today i got the chance to view and shoot these two rifles in the open,
First came the p/h 22-250,as he took it out of the gun sleeve he handed it to me to examine it,well to tell you the truth it looked very rough,the bolt was very loose when open but he said this was with all rifles when they got a bit of use,the stock was well marked with scratches like a working terrier.and the inside of the barrel looks like it had,nt seen a wire brush ever,so away we went and set up targets at 100,150 200 and 250 yards,he loaded the parker hale and handed it to me,i rested the barrel of the rifle on a sand bag and looked through the scope at the hundred year target,steady myself up and took aim,slowly pulled the trigger and click,nothing happened.so tried again and the same thing,so he took the p/h back and unloaded it and tried to sort out the problem,
then he handed me the CZ.223,straight out of the box,loaded three bullets into the mag took aim at the 100 yard target,pulled the trigger very slowly and bang,reloaded and took aim at the 200 yard target and same again pulled the trigger slowly and bang,so third time i reloaded the CZ for my third and final shot,took aim at the 250 target and let rip,WOW,what a rifle,so got up and walked out to see how i done,the 100 yard shot was about 1 and a half over the target so not bad there,the 200 yard shot was a little less about 1.4 inch over but the the 250 yard shot was bang on target,i was really happy with my self considering this was the first time i shot anything over my .22 rimfire,the gunsmith still was playing around with the parker hale,but still could,nt get it to shoot,so sorry lads i didnt get a chance to shoot the parker hale,but just looking at it and the condition of it i was not impressed with it

 

[Shawnee]

Sounds like a worthwhile trip.

Now you know for sure you don't want that particular Parker-Hale.

The CZ seems to have a good reputation and the .223 will certainly work out at 300 yds., and it will work even better after you get in some practice with it.

Good Luck !

 

[uk roe hunter]

parker hales are a full mauser action and at full travel there is movement on the bolt, it locks at the other end so don't worry about that. however if the thing doesn't go bang when you pull the trigger it is not much good. this is my parker hale. in .30-06 with a bushnel banner scope