Passenger accidentally fires pistol in airport

[boogalou]

Don't some of the CZs have mag safeties?

Some CZ's have mag brakes, but not safeties.

 

[jefnvk]

Diaz said a Glock, unlike most handguns, will fire without a magazine if there is still a bullet in the chamber.

Ruger MKII's and previous didn't, the new MKIII's do.

My Star BM did, before I fixed that factory flaw

Quite a few do, but I would imagine that more do not. I personally hate the concept, not on any sort of political grounds, but because my mags and guns are usually kept in different spots, meaning that if I go to clean the pistol, I have to go find the mag.

 

[TheEgg]

But yea, the fact is if a civilian did this the newspaper would report it quite differently. It's almost like there's an undeclared war on civilian firearm ownership...

Probably not in Rapid City. South Dakota is pretty gun friendly, so I think it likely that the idiot pulling this stunt would be treated the same regardless of their former profession.

 

[MNgoldenbear]

Ah, another case of those "dangerous Glocks". A Bay Area (SF Bay, CA) department that had switched from revolvers to Glocks decided to switch again, as their officers were starting to have a lot of ADs. Turns out they were used to carrying in holsters that had the trigger guard open, and having a finger on the trigger as they holstered. As most auto holsters cover the guard ... BOOM!

As far as general weapons handling, the very best AND very worst I've seen have been military/LE. Biggest offenders seemed to be "ex"-(you name the organization). The "had not adequately cleared the chamber" line was hilarious -- is that like being kind of pregnant? As noted, a Glock does not need to be stripped to case it (unless he had some specially cut case to cradle each component, but that would be kind of a waste on a Glock).

As to the extra courtesy extended to LE/retired LE, in some places, yes. Most of the cases where LE or civilians have been excused for such things come from the same areas though, and civilians would have been treated much the same, IMHO. Not that the negligence should be excused, but that it should be handled professionally.

 

[Infidel]

Any S&W auto I have ever seen except the 1911

And some 1076s (the FBI issue ones).

 

[Smurfslayer]

Now, this is simply not true. Do your research. There are plenty of occurances of average gun-owning civilians having negligent discharges or otherwise stupid incidents/accidents involving firearms where law enforcement response is quite reasonable -- and -- gasp -- there is often zero press coverage (because of the very fact it's an average citizen and the incident is not newsworthy). Not to mention the fact that quite often, on this very board, news stories are posted about Joe Sixpack and a firearms incident where -- can you believe it? -- no charges are filed.

In 10 news accounts of a negligent discharge I looked at over the course of the last 20 or so months, when the discharger was a sworn L.E.O., the verbiage in the news account was strictly equal to what was in the statements by the department public relations staff. 8 of these 10 paraphrased : "officer <name> was <action> when the gun went off..."

Note the phraseology "gun went off" is common, along with "gun discharged" etc. in 9 of those stories, no charges were or have been filed that I recall. I wrote a couple of the reporters and asked if any charges were being filed, all of them responded that none had been, one responded they would look into it.

What this shows is not out of the ordinary in and of itself. The Department is not well served by their PR staff saying "That dope, officer 'ten thumbs' popped a round off from his <uberpistol> striking a pedestrian"...

OTOH, the public is not well served by officer 10 thumbs, whose gun "just went off". Also, PP's are trying to point out that he likely rec'd professional courtesy for what would've cost most THR posters their gun, permit to carry, and at least a couple thousand dollars in legal defense fees to avoid the pesky grey bar hotel. Besides, professional courtesy is supposed to extent to CCW's, but some hard heads in blue haven't gotten the message yet

I'd probably be feeling a little safer if I had my own press secretary or spokesman. For example, my actions on the road were not 'aggressive driving', rather they were "sound, prudent driving manuevers carefully calculated to maximize safety and minimize delay".

Bottom line, IMHO, very poor reporting; actually it's not reporting, it's parrotting.

So, when was the last time we saw a news report containg the phrases
1: "gun...went off"
2: "permit/license to carry"
3: "no charges filed".

?

 

[Sawdust]

My S&W 5906 has a mag disconnect safety thingy on it.

Gotta figure out how to, uh, do some preventative maintenance on that someday.

Sawdust

 

[orionengnr]

bet if you went to Smith-wessonforum.com, and searched, you might find the answer. If the search wouldn't do it, I bet posting and asking would.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

I hate drawing this complete a blank, but I can't name models/makes.

But there *are* pistols that have a magazine interlock.

I'll bet about anything that Ruger is one of them.

You lose.

My Ruger P95, 2003 model, doesn't have the stupid interconnect.

The new P345 does; the new P95 (now with Picatinny rail) does not.

 

[Janitor]

You lose.

Curses. Foiled again.

-

 

[FNFiveSeven]

Before boarding an airline, they should tell you to prove the chamber is empty by pulling the trigger while pointing the gun at your head. That way, you can make airline travel safer AND clean the gene pool all at the same time.

 

[Standing Wolf]

See? Didn't I tell you only the police and military are qualified to have guns?

 

[jojosdad]

cop who discharged her Glock in the classroom full of schoolkids......

Um - IIRC the "professional" in this case was male.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Ho, hum

Negligent discharge --> Glock

In other news, the sun once again rose in the east and is widely expected to set in the west ...

 

[Firethorn]

Like many others on this forum, I consider a magazine disconnect a design flaw, not a feature.

Sorta like DRM on a MP3 player.

 

[Stinger1]

First post here fellows, some know me from other forums. Looking forward to some fresh discussions with some new friends.

If you are going to fly in today's world you'd damn well better know the rules regarding the transporting of firearms via the airlines in the U.S. It is the responsibility of all firearms users to check in advance with their airline of choice about the regulations governing transportation of firearms and ammo.
Being a cop gives you no special consideration when flying. You still have to follow FAA rules. Under no circumstances (unless you are on duty and transporting a prisoner) should you arrive at the airport with a loaded firearm. Your "unloaded" firearm should be locked in a hardcase, ammo packed in it's own factory boxes (not in magazines unless they inturn are in a mag holder that covers the open end of the mag) and a big no no is just loose in the suitcase (don't think that happens, you'd be surprised at the morons that will just toss loose ammo in their bags).

Even if you are a cop you are a passenger first, and have to abide by the rules, and a retired cop should know better. And he should know how his firearm operates. All the safety devices made won't always prevent this type of occurance, the best and only way is to have the firearm already to check in before arriving at the airport, and that means unloaded and locked up. He was on a hunting trip not on duty.

Doesn't matter that the local authorities let him slide. it still has to be written up and reviewed by the FAA and a fine could be levied.

The bottom line is if you're going to fly and are transporting firearms, take the time to know what to do and how to do it and you'll have no problems at all.

RC

 

[carebear]

would have been charged for having a loaded gun on them in an airport.

That's not always illegal if you aren't behind the (federal) sterile area.

Depends on state/local law and the airports policy. Now the counter is dumb place to clear a weapon in any event but carrying it there loaded isn't necessarily a crime, especially if you aren't planning on travelling.

 

[4570Rick]

blackrazor

+1

 

[Stinger1]

That's not always illegal if you aren't behind the (federal) sterile area.

Depends on state/local law and the airports policy. Now the counter is dumb place to clear a weapon in any event but carrying it there loaded isn't necessarily a crime, especially if you aren't planning on travelling.

There maybe differenrt local laws that is true but most airports are county property and in the county that I live in county buildings do not allow civilians to carry firearms inside their property. So carrying a loaded weapon in an airport would most likely be a crime unless you are a LE and on duty.

RC

 

[coylh]

I don't buy/own guns that:

* Require you to pull the tigger to disassemble.
* Stop working when the magazine is removed.
* Come with a key.

 

[Joejojoba111]

Well, comes now the usual posts clearly demonstrating that...the media just can't win ...

The media matter-of-factly (well, only minor inaccuracies) reports the story. No apologism there, c'mon.

Yet, still everyone bitches.

I should explain one thing, often reporters have to develop relationships with people in the area they report on. So if you are reporting politics you develop relationships with the press officials, and so-on. If you get out of line, then suddeny you find out that the press official invited some-one else from your newpaper to come to the conference. And you find out about a meeting 2 hours after it finishes. If you don't play the game right, you will not have anything to report, and thus you will be out of the game. This goes for pretty much any institution with a press secretary.


Now let's look at the article:


First sentence: 'accidental shooting' 'a gun was fired' 'no one was injured' 'no charges are being filed'.

That's 4 apologisms in the first sentence. The tone of the article couldn't be more slanted if it was Pravda reporting on factory production.


In a normal story it would have a headline "Local man panics airport by firing gun in terminal' :

"A local man caused a panic at the airport when he fired a handgun at the baggage check area. It is not known how many people may have been injured, but airline officials report that damage to their euipment is substantial. Several groups campaigning for responsible gun ownership have pointed out that this incident could not have happened if their propsed 'no handguns inside city limits' amendment is approved. The vote will be taking place next week, for more information see ***. The airline, under intense pressure to increase safety against these violent occurances, has stated they are reviewing their policy on allowing firearms to be transported on their planes. Says Bill Gusham, "One accident is too many. How many of these near-death experiences do we need to have before we say 'enough is enough'?"


No-one should be coming down on this man's right to carry, even if it is suspicious hunting But showing up at an airport with a loaded handgun concealed on your person, or in your luggage, not in a case...

And the whole sentence where the reporter explains that they really really tried their best to empty the pistol, so they get a gold-star for effort anyway! That's pathetic cronyism.

Then you have the standard 'It's the Glock's fault' explanation, to sooth any concerns. That's enough said right there.


And then, the last word, the last sentence of the article is this "“Nobody was hurt — just a little nervous,” Diaz said."

Remember who Diaz is? He's the culprit. Lol. I wonder if any other articles end the same way?

Local gas station robbed, suspect "James" in custody ->-> "Nobody was hurt - just a litle nervous," James said.

Suspected drug smugglers detained at airport "nobody was hurt - just a little nervous." the smuglers said.

 

[Tory]

Wrong incident

"Quote:
cop who discharged her Glock in the classroom full of schoolkids......

Um - IIRC the "professional" in this case was male."


WRONG.

I am NOT talking about Rasta DEA Man; I am talking about the Blue Centurionnette who fired her Glock after reinserting the mag so a CLASSROOM FULL OF KIDS could see it. Bullet went right by a kid's head.

This was in Philly about 3 years ago.

 

[bogie]

Too bad he's retired, which means it's probably too late.

TDTB.

Too Dumb To Breed.

 

[Old Fuff]

As this individual is a "retired" police officer he might have been experienced in handling revolvers, but not pistols, particularly a Glock. This is not meant as an excuse, but rather to point out that one needs to be trained to understand whatever they carry. Being a police officer - in and of itself - does not make a person competent to handle any and all firearms.

 

[Missashot]

I can't think of a better way to clear the chamber than to pull the trigger. Heck, if you leave it inserted, you can clear the whole mag that way also!