Patriot Act fails to get votes for time being..

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Tomcat1066 said:
Both of my Senators voted yea.


I'll be voting nay on both of them next election!

I don't want anyone making laws that will spit on our liberty this way.
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I was ashamed to not see either of the GA names on that list. I guess I will have to be joining you in outing them next go 'round. :(
 
Remember folks...

The Dems shot down the patriot act not because they believe in freedom
but because they hate Bush.

Whatever works.

As long as we can keep the freedom haters at each others throats the better
off we will be in the long run.
 
LoneGunman said:
The Republicans who voted yes were all partisan hacks also.
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What, it was too much work to read the very next sentence in his post? Where he stated almost exactly what you did but in the converse...
 
jbear6 said:
I think this quote from Benjamin Franklin says it all:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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Ben Franklin never had to deal with terrorists in our midst; planning suicide attacks...

I am sad that our Congress is playing on the side of the terrorists; endangering the homeland, and not supporting the War on Terror.

They need to make the Patriot Act permanent, now, and stop playing politics with our nation's security!
 
Imagine what a left wing administration would do with a full bore patriot act..

Terrorism is not an excuse to trample the rights of Americans.

Nothing is going to stop a committed suicide bomber except for a well armed
and vigilant citizenry.
 
They need to make the Patriot Act permanent, now, and stop playing politics with our nation's security!
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You are 100% correct there, sir!

When 19 foreigners make it into this country and get themselves state issued ID and hijack 4 airliners the only logical course of action is to give the Federal government the power to grab library records, personal banking data, and more widespread phone tapping. Further, it's fairly obvious after those 19 hijackers did the deed that we must start forcing banks to ask customers why they're opening up a new savings account!

The federal government needs the power to detain people like Jose Padilla for 3 years without charges! This is imperative to our security, folks!

It's so simple and obvious! Why don't you people get it!?

:barf:
 
I get sick of people talking about how the Patriot Act will keep us safe. It's not like 9-11 happened because the FBI couldn't see what library books someone checked out :rolleyes:

All my fellow Georgians, we should go ahead and start looking for a viable candidate that will keep our needs in mind. Isakson's vote was enough to make me wish I had run last time (yeah, seriously, I was thinking about running ;) ).

Tom
 
My neck of the woods here in Indiana, was ofcourse split in the vote. Trust me it wont get news here, It seems anytime I try to explain the patriot act to anyone I get a blank stare. This is a constitutional nightmare in which I have woke up to be surrounded by citizen cattle. Thank all you on THR for saving what sanity I have left.

~Liberty or Death~
I'll take the latter
 
Ben Franklin never had to deal with terrorists in our midst; planning suicide attacks...

I am sad that our Congress is playing on the side of the terrorists; endangering the homeland, and not supporting the War on Terror.

They need to make the Patriot Act permanent, now, and stop playing politics
with our nation's security!
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Back in yon revolutionary days of yore, your words would be called ........

Tory. :uhoh:
 
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The Dems shot down the patriot act not because they believe in freedom
but because they hate Bush.

Whatever works.

Very true. Just like how Republicans are all about "fiscal responsibility" when a Democrat is in office.
 
Lone_Gunman said:
How can the President get any work down with these obstructionists in the Senate trying to defend constitutional rights?
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That actually made me laugh.
 
Camp David said:
Ben Franklin never had to deal with terrorists in our midst; planning suicide attacks...

I am sad that our Congress is playing on the side of the terrorists; endangering the homeland, and not supporting the War on Terror.

They need to make the Patriot Act permanent, now, and stop playing politics with our nation's security!
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It's not about terrorists, it's about the Bill of Rights, and our Constitution. Our founding fathers knew how a government without controls, and oversight could very easily trample the rights of the citizenery. When you give the State Police the right to arrest you, and hold you without charges, enter your house (sneak and peek) without any judical oversight, listen to your phone calls without a warrant, view your banking or telephone records, and imprison your Banker if he lets you know that it happened, etc. How does this fight terrorism?

In a few months, "our" government will stop reporting M3, I suppose that is so the terrorists won't know know how much they are debasing our currency each month. Our government calculates the Consumer Price Index without consideration for the cost of FOOD and ENERGY. Calculate your monthly budget without figuring in the cost of those two insignificant items....hey, you're rich (no inflation here)!

Patriot Act? What the hell is patriotic about taking away the rights of American citizens under the guise of fighting terrorism?

I'm 50 years old, my family was/is a military family. I have always considered myself to be patriotic. How can I condone the Pentagon spying on anti-war church groups? Imagine classifying a church group as a danger to our troops? Now I see how prayer can be a powerful thing. Tapping the phones of american citizens without warrants, just because they make an overseas phone call? This is/was America, we used to make fun of countries that did these things to their citizens, it's not funny now.
 
"They are saying, ' Trust us, we are following the law'. Give me a break, " said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. "Across the country and across the political spectrum, no one is buying it any more. There is no accountability. There is no oversight. ... This is big brother run amok. ...
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http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051217/POLITICS/512170388

The sky has fallen, the moon is in fact made of cheese, the Detroit Lions have won the Super Bowl, and I have a date with Jennifer Love Hewitt- I never thought there would ever be anything Ted would say that I agree with- I really have lived too long :what:
 
Turkey Creek said:
http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051217/POLITICS/512170388

The sky has fallen, the moon is in fact made of cheese, the Detroit Lions have won the Super Bowl, and I have a date with Jennifer Love Hewitt- I never thought there would ever be anything Ted would say that I agree with- I really have lived too long :what:
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I have *never* heard anything more ridiculous in my life! Good Lord. I was with you until the "Detroit Lions have won the Super Bowl" part.
The rest is at least possible, but this?
:neener:
Biker
 
Senator Lisa Murkowski has earned my vote and a nice e-mail thanking her for safe-guarding our rights. Uncle Ted (Stevens) on the other hand needs to be sent into retirement. The bastage seems to be getting senile in his old age.:banghead:
 
GigaBuist said:
You are 100% correct there, sir!

When 19 foreigners make it into this country and get themselves state issued ID and hijack 4 airliners the only logical course of action is to give the Federal government the power to grab library records, personal banking data, and more widespread phone tapping. Further, it's fairly obvious after those 19 hijackers did the deed that we must start forcing banks to ask customers why they're opening up a new savings account!

The federal government needs the power to detain people like Jose Padilla for 3 years without charges! This is imperative to our security, folks!

It's so simple and obvious! Why don't you people get it!?

:barf:
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LoL

I recently went to my local bank branch and the ATM system was down, so I went inside and actually wrote out one of those old-fashioned paper thingies. What are they called again? Checks! Yeah, I wrote a check. To cash. For the munificent sum of $100.

Mind you, I'm in this branch a couple or three times every week, and I know most of the staff on a first name basis. I still had to show TWO forms of ID to cash a check for $100, made out to "CASH."

I feel SOOOOOOOOO much more secure, I cannot even begin to express my relief at being saved from such terroristic activities as cashing checks at their local bank, where the tellers already know who you are. How does this improve anything? The check has my name, address and telephone number on it, and I signed it. The teller could just have done as they have for the last 20 years, and scribbled a note on the check to indicate that, "Yeah, it's him again, I recognize him" and be done. If my $100 somehow showed up in the debris of having flown a 767 into the Sears Tower next month, they'd still know who signed the check, even though I didn't show TWO forms of STATE-ISSUED, PHOTO ID.
 
Hawkmoon said:
LoL

I recently went to my local bank branch and the ATM system was down, so I went inside and actually wrote out one of those old-fashioned paper thingies. What are they called again? Checks! Yeah, I wrote a check. To cash. For the munificent sum of $100.

Mind you, I'm in this branch a couple or three times every week, and I know most of the staff on a first name basis. I still had to show TWO forms of ID to cash a check for $100, made out to "CASH."

I feel SOOOOOOOOO much more secure, I cannot even begin to express my relief at being saved from such terroristic activities as cashing checks at their local bank, where the tellers already know who you are. How does this improve anything? The check has my name, address and telephone number on it, and I signed it. The teller could just have done as they have for the last 20 years, and scribbled a note on the check to indicate that, "Yeah, it's him again, I recognize him" and be done. If my $100 somehow showed up in the debris of having flown a 767 into the Sears Tower next month, they'd still know who signed the check, even though I didn't show TWO forms of STATE-ISSUED, PHOTO ID.
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But when Al Queda learns how to shapeshift, you'll be thankful. ;)

I have no problem with the government getting these records. I have a problem for the ways they can get these records.

Tom
 
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