Pay Pal, anti gun?

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The term Karl Marx used for folks who worked with them/him to destroy their own rights and country was/is "useful idiots".
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Considering that he died in 1883 and the term "useful idiot" doesn't really appear in print until the 1940's, I kinda doubt your story.
 
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The term Karl Marx used for folks who worked with them/him to destroy their own rights and country was/is "useful idiots"
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"Useful Idiot" didn't enter the lexicon until the late 1940s, by which time Marx had been dead and buried for almost 70 years.


“The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine.” - Abraham Lincoln
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-Ha. Ninjaed by mgmorden.
 
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Pay-pal is anti gun only if that means they don't deal with firearm related transactions.


They also don't want native american artifacts either. So I guess they are racist too.


IMO Pay-pal is not "anti-gun" they just don't want any liability for your stuff. They don't allow many different item transactions. Firearms just being one of those items.
 
I'm not sure how much they are easing up on shooting related restrictions. I can understand them not wanting to get into dealing with firearms, mags and ammo, but why not brass and bullet heads? I know they deal in knives. It's easier to kill someone with a knife than with a rifle casing or bullet head.

I have been trying not to use Ebay, but sometimes you need their exposure and I always try not to use paypal unless it's the last resort. By the time you pay ebay and paypal it has cost you 9-10% not to mention the shipping if applicable. Maybe we should all become hoarders
 
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.Maybe we should all become hoarders
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And or "Keep it Local!" takes on further meaning.

I can't really see how denying the transfer of a holster serves any purpose other than to paint a whole genre as "tainted"/blacklisted. They are playing Darwin.

I've done without and can certainly do it again.
 
It is easy to blame everything on liability and potential for litigation, but how often do firearms auction sites get sued? How often od gun stores get sued?

I think it is a load of hooeey, but I do agree with the reason being the California gun (anti-gun) culture.
 
Paypal and eBay are California companies,and as such both reflect the social fabricof their locale as well as the laws of their locale. That's not surprising, and it's certainly not personal.
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That is certainly a sweeping generalization considering there are good firearms and firearms accessories companies based in California. I don't pretend to understand why they chose that location but they certainly aren't liberal weenies companies.
The founder of Paypal, I assume before it was bought by Ebay, is a libertarian. In fact he is working to develop floating libertarian communities in international waters. Ebay and Paypal are definitelyanti-sue-me.
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Yup, Paypal destroyed ebay's version, billpoint. I started using ebay in '98 and remembered how fantastic paypal was when it first came out a few years later. Originally it was supposed to be a digital currency that would let you move funds from insecure currencies to more stable ones, privately. It also allowed painless payments for goods between private individuals. It survived hackers and class action lawsuits and went IPO with a worth close to a billion dollars that jumped 50% at the end of the opening day. Ultimately the banks were pissed they couldn't compete with their own version and successfully lobbied government to intervene and unleash red tape and the PATRIOT Act. The owners gave up and sold to ebay being tied up on so many fronts as a relatively small, new company going against ebay and the government. Hey, when the giants can't compete in a free market, get the government to strongarm your competition! An interesting read on the history of Paypal here: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4405
 
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That is certainly a sweeping generalization considering there are good firearms and firearms accessories companies based in California. I don't pretend to understand why they chose that location but they certainly aren't liberal weenies companies.

Yup, Paypal destroyed ebay's version, billpoint. I started using ebay in '98 and remembered how fantastic paypal was when it first came out a few years later. Originally it was supposed to be a digital currency that would let you move funds from insecure currencies to more stable ones, privately. It also allowed painless payments for goods between private individuals. It survived hackers and class action lawsuits and went IPO with a worth close to a billion dollars that jumped 50% at the end of the opening day. Ultimately the banks were pissed they couldn't compete with their own version and successfully lobbied government to intervene and unleash red tape and the PATRIOT Act. The owners gave up and sold to ebay being tied up on so many fronts as a relatively small, new company going against ebay and the government. Hey, when the giants can't compete in a free market, get the government to strongarm your competition! An interesting read on the history of Paypal here: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4405
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Good for them for making money.. it's the American Way. However, this seems to be a red herring.. they sold out and made money.. end of story. We are now dealing in the present tense.
 
Paypal cancelled my business account , for gunsmithing and gun parts.
As far as I know thy are anti american sorry scumbags
 
Ebay and Paypal are a business making business decisions which they believe are in the best interest of their comapny and its shareholders. You can choose to support them with your buiness or not. That choice is up to you but honestly if we are going to bash them lets at least get our story straight.

Lets really look at what Ebay is currently allowing on their site. They will not let you sell ammo of any kind. They will not let you sell reloading components either IIRC. They will not let you sell receivers or frames which have a serial number and the ATF considers a firearm. No complete firearms. No standard capacity mags, holding more than 10 rounds. No blueprints or plans for explosive devices or guns. I am sure there are a few other things I have missed.

They these days let you sell holsters, Mags with capacity 10 and under, scopes, en bloc clips, grips, forearms, stocks, mag carriers etc..... All of these items are on Ebay and can be purchased using a paypal funds transfer.

Yes in the past they used to shut down account for firearms activity. They tightened their rules after the VA Tech shootings. They felt it made sense for their business. We can dissagree but their business choice does not make them unAmerican. What I personally think is UnAmerican is the idea that everyone should act, think and do just as I do. The beauty of our country and the relatively free market we enjoy is the ability to choose which services we want to pay for and which ones we don't. We look stupid when we ignore the facts and try to play the victim card IMHO. YMMV
 
I buy holsters and other firearm tangential stuff off Ebay all the time and yes, I use paypal to do it.
 
The term Karl Marx used for folks who worked with them/him to destroy their own rights and country was/is "useful idiots".
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Considering that he died in 1883 and the term "useful idiot" doesn't really appear in print until the 1940's, I kinda doubt your story.
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I think Lenin is the "source" of that phrase...
 
I wont use pay pal.. When I purchase from EBAY before I bid. I ask the seller if they will accept a money order as payment. And the majority will accept if I win the auction.
 
Good for them for making money.. it's the American Way. However, this seems to be a red herring.. they sold out and made money.. end of story. We are now dealing in the present tense.
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Paypal was doing fantastic in the free market until competitors lobbied government to tie them up. It became a financial wash to wade through the red tape so they bailed and sold the business. That's quite different than "selling out". Ebay sold out when they caved in to federal demands to continue operating without being hassled by modifying the service.

No one is making excuses, simply pointing out that a "viable solution" in American business practice is to bring the government in to bat for you when you can't beat your competition with a superior product or service. Nothing could be more unAmerican. UPS is currently doing the same thing against Fedex.
 
:cuss: I've basically discontinued using Ebay and Paypal. Sometimes you can pay through Paypal without using your account, and I've had little trouble with this, but it's usually through smaller internet dealers that get paid that way, not through a bigger site like Ebay.

However, the final straw with Paypal for me was their constant pestering about security. I don't want to provide my phone number, account numbers, etc. I just want to use my debit card and buy stuff. Finally, Paypal's security stuff became so tight I could no longer use it. My friends and family boycott it too. Honestly, identity theft is more likely to come through giving my card number to the people at Pizza Hut to pay for delivery rather than someone setting up some kind of Paypal account in my name. :fire: I just wish people would let me secure my own stuff, rather than trying to babysit me. :cuss:
 
you mean PAYPUKE ?

I had so much hassle with them and their idiotic rules and anti - gun/knife garbage that I refuse to use them.

yes I have had to cancel or not buy items due to someone not taking other methods of payment.

It is worth it to me to avoid them at all cost.
 
I choose not to support EVILBAY or PAYCRAP. I set up an account and found out the problem the next day and never bothered to use either of them again. I will spend my money where sellers do not require me to do so. So far it has not caused me to loose any sleep over my rash decision.:D
 
I went to buy some grape vines from a nursery and they wanted to be paid with PayPal. I told them forget it.
 
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