PAYPAL Finally has a competitor - GUNPAL

[GunsAmerica Fan]

OMG Kevin as I was writing my last answer to this question we lit up our new local gun trader system. It is still being tuned, but you could always use our advanced search for local stuff. This is just to make it more visible. Right now it's just pulling a few out to show you but there is more functionality coming. When you hit the site it detects your state from your internet connection. It's on the homepage now:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/

It is being combined with our local advertising system for gun shops and shooting events. exciting stuff (for me lol)

 

[MinnMooney]

I will definately sign up for GunPal and try to use it whenever I can.

PayPal is so double-wrapped with ebay that many seller aren't able to sell on ebay UNLESS they agree to use PayPal only. ebay has gotten a big head, ego problems and a political agenda that is very definately anti-guns. You can't even display a scope for sale if it's mounted on a rifle! It has to be mounted on a rubber/wood/plastic dummy holder. I can't even call it a "look-alike" because your item will be remove from sale unless you can prove to the ebay elitists that the mount is a fake.

 

[artherd]

GunsAmerica Fan makes some outstanding points. The road to GUNPAL has not been an easy one. The only thing I disagree with is the level of fraud prevalent with firearm purchases, we've come to find that's relatively low, gun owners are mostly an honest bunch though there are certainly notable exceptions. We have some of the best anti-fraud and anti-phishing models in the industry, that helps.

 

[GunsAmerica Fan]

Artherd I didn't say that gun people are fraudulent. Don't forget that I started GunsAmerica based on the Honor System and to this day we still rely on honest gun people to report their sales. By and large gun people are the most honest cream of the crop of Americans in my estimation.

I spoke of one individual. He is a known commodity. The problem side of the gun business is collectibles, and it is because people who aren't gun people come in because they see the dollar signs, then rip people off with fakes and other scams. This particular individual is fond of trying to sell guns he doesn't own, taking payment, then going to try to buy the gun from its owner for less. He has tried a bunch of things over the years, and his head pops up on GA at least once a year under an alias or a company and we eventually find him and shut him off.

In all the major fraud cases I have dealt with it has been non-gun people involved. The biggest issue with fraud is fake accounts. People steal credit cards and open accounts with the owner of the card's details, then "sell" guns that don't exist. I have 24 hour customer support coverage on GA to monitor all new sellers. When they post something for sale we go through a series of tests to make sure the account is real. You can't just depend on a credit card auth anymore. There is one group based in england that spoofs American IP addresses and tries to set up no less than 20 account per week. Sometimes we'll get a rash of them and they try to do 20 in a day. It's nuts.

As a side note, if you have seen those signs on the side of the road "make money from home," a lot of those are international internet fraudsters who are playing this scam. They sign up innocent housewives to cash checks and do bank transfers to them in the Caymans, and take a percentage. FBI has caught hundreds of them, and they always claim to be unsuspecting. Gunpal is going see all of these people hit their system, and you will develop the same protections we have. You'll get through it and I think you will be very successful, and will be an official payment system at GunsAmerica.

 

[artherd]

Oh, we've seen it already. The Russians and Chinese are particularly bad. It's one thing to deal with a group of cyber-criminals, it's something else entirely when you're dealing with what amounts to state sponsored financial terrorism.

We've got some realtime code I can't discuss too much of - but it analyzes not only transactions but goes deep into mining the data to determine a risk weighting of any given transaction. Only 20% of our code is actually processing transactions, the rest is anti-fraud.

We also are unique in the position of owning both the buyer and seller's information, so in most cases can reverse a fraudulent transaction before it even happens. As such we're able to offer this:

Check out Section 8, Buyer Protection: https://www.gunpal.net/gp?req=useragreement

Fraudsters would be well advised to steer clear of GUNPAL, it won't work and we prosecute.