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People's Experience with Highend Production 1911s

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by 9mmepiphany, May 17, 2012.

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Which of these 1911s have you had experience with

Poll closed May 31, 2012.
  1. Ed Brown Kobra or SF

    29.0%
  2. Les Baer PM II

    40.3%
  3. Nighthawk Custom GRP

    21.0%
  4. S&W Performance Center

    32.3%
  5. Springfield Armory Professional

    29.0%
  6. Dan Wesson Valor

    32.3%
  7. Wilson Custom CQB

    35.5%
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  1. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

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    This is a poll to see how many folks actually have experience with the high end production 1911s. This isn't a thread to argue about the cost or value of these pistols. I'd like to compare the basic models by each maker. These are guns you can usually contact a stocking dealer and get one without an extended wait (which I define as less than a year)

    I know there is quite a price range here from just under $2000 to close to $3000, but what I'm looking for is experience shooting one of these platforms...lets say at least a hundred rounds, although I'd prefer something in excess of 500 rounds.

    Please don't vote if you've just always wanted one or if you just think one is better or your favorite
     
  2. TonyT

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    I have several Dan Wesson Pointmans. Two older blued versions, one if 45ACP and one with both 9mm and 40 S&W uppers. My third DW is a current stainless PM-9 in 9mm. In my limited experience the Dan Wesson 1911's are excellent value for the dollar in terms of both reliability and accuracy. Great fit and finish with super factory trigger.
     
  3. tuj

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    Les Baer PII 1.5G here. Very accurate, as it should be with the 1.5" guarantee. Trigger is scary good and can be adjusted safely to scary light (the previous owner had it adjusted to 1.75lbs on my gauge and yes, it passed all the safety tests); I have it set to 3.5lbs now. Can't say its run flawless; it doesn't like SWC bullets at all, but runs just fine with Tripp mags and FMJ.
     
  4. rellascout

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    I have shot some on the list but own none. I do own a Les Baer TRS, a Dan Wesson CBOB and a Colt CCO customized by Wild West Guns. I will limit my comments to the Dan Wesson and the Les Baer because I have shot them extensively.

    In today's market I think that the Dan Wessons, I have shot the Valor enough that I feel I can comment, is the gateway drug to high end 1911s. If I did not already own a TRS I would get one. You can get one for $1500 to $1800 depending on finish and your local market. They are well fitted. They have premium parts and are very close to the JMB spec. So you can swap out what you want if you feel the need to modify or customize. Not many shooters will find it a DW 1911 is the thing holding them back. They are 95% + of the way to a $5000+ Gun like a Wilson Supergrade or full house custom.

    If I were in the market for another high end 1911 I would get a Valor and then customize it a bit and send it to Dave Severns for a Hard Hat treatment. I personally would have it dehorned swap the trigger and a few other mods. My CBOB was my EDC for a few years before it was replaced by my custom Colt CCO. It was more than enough gun in my hands for any task I will face. The CBOB is better gun than I am a shooter and the same goes for the Valor. After all I consider myself a duffer with a professional set of clubs... LOL :eek:

    The Les Baer TRS is the same price point as the the Permier II so I think it meets the OPs criteria. It is a great gun. It is soooo tight. Almost too tight but it runs. I have never had a hiccup with the gun. I acquired it used but it had only had about 200 rounds down the pipe. This gun does not have the 1.5" guarantee but in the right hands I know it is close to that level. The trigger is crisp and clean. It breaks a little under 5lbs which is where I wanted it. It is a defense gun for me not a target gun.

    Down the road as the bluing wears I might swap the sights out and then again get Hard Hat treatment or teflon. The blue finish on the Les Baer is its only weakness. I love the look but it simply does not hold up as well as some of todays better coating like Hard Hat, Wilson Tuff Armor or even the DW Duty Coat.

    I personally found the checkering and some of the lines on the pistol to be too sharp. I knocked them down a bit with a extra fine stone and this preference was easy to correct. When you look at all the hand work that goes into these pistols they are a great value at $1900 price point. It is far more gun than I am capable of taking advantage of. I am confident it will outlast my lifetime and most likely my sons. These guns are built the old school way and it shows.

    IMHO you cannot go wrong with either of these pistols. If I had to choose one or the other today off the shelf it would be the Valor because I could customize it and refinish it for the same price as the Baer. When you get above this price point the law of diminishing returns kicks in. I have shot Wilsons which cost 2Xs as much and while I can appaerciate what went into it I am not enough of a shooter to need it. I have come to the realization that the TRS is more than enough gun for me. That does not mean I will never buy one but they are not at the top of my current want/need list.
     
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  5. kcshooter

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    I've shot em all except the Nighthawk. The Wilson wasn't a CQB, I don't remember exactly which model. Hard to say which was my favorite. They are all very nice. The Brown had insanely impressive accuracy. Not something I'd spend that much on personally, but I get it.

    I prefer to take a base model and customize to my preferences. I built my own from scratch based on SA Pro specs but that was waaay more work than expected. Payoff was worth it in the end, but after that experience, I decided that taking a good basic model and going from there is definitely the way to go.
     
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  6. smalls

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    I've shot roughly 150 rounds through both a Valor (well, VBOB) and a WC (can't recall which model). I've shot a few Springfield's, but none from their custom shop.
     
  7. 19-3Ben

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    First 1911 I ever shot was a Wilson CQB. Kinda spoiled the fun!
    After that, every 1911 I've shot is ok but... meh.
     
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    Nighthawk, Wilson and Baer. Kimbers and Colts moved to the bottom of the safe.
     
  9. Ankeny

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    I have owned four of the guns listed. All of them were great pistols and a joy to shoot.
     
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    I bought a Baer P-II a few years ago, one of the first out of the then new Iowa plant. Accuracy was excellent, but the build quality left a lot to be desired. Thin bueing, badly drilled extractor hole that lead to other issues, poorly molded/cast sights, the rear sight had to be adjusted all the way to the right to make it shoot straight, the grip panels had bad checkering, many of the diamonds were missing, the 'hand cut checkering' must have been done by a trainee. For $1,900 I was very disappointed.
     
  11. Shipwreck

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    I have owned an Ed Brown Special Forces - finest 45 cal 1911 I have ever owned.

    I also had a Springfield Custom Full Rail Operator in 9mm (basically a 9mm full rail pro). AWESOME accuracy.

    I migrated out of 1911s last year, and sold both.

    However, if I ever bought another high end 1911, it would be a Springfield Professional
     
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    All are way out of my league but I did put a box through a Wilson. I have owned a lot of Colts but the Wilson was something special. The detail, fit, and finish was reminiscent of pre-war national matches, just with modern metallurgy! (Felt a little heftier though, almost like solid indestructibility.) I didn't vote, really don't know anything about any of them.
     
  13. dubya450

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    I've shot my uncle's llama. Is that high end enough??! :neener:

    Seriously though my co-worker has a nighthawk that he offered to let me try when I fund time to make it out to his house (backyard range). If the thread is still active ill post my thoughts on the nighthawk when I get the chance.
     
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    I spent some quality time at a rental range with a Nighthawk. It looks and feels great, but I shot a few hundred rounds through it, and it jammed on me a couple of times. I know it's rental gun, but.......for that price? I just can't see how the higher cost is justified.
     
  15. 9mmepiphany

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    Thank you folks for voting and sharing your experiences.

    I'm looking to see if there is a corrolation between price points and also if there is one reflected in 1911 recommendation threads.

    A side benefit for me is that it gives me an idea of folks recommending guns without actual hands on experience with them.

    I'm reluctantly considering a similar poll for mid-range 1911s
     
  16. rellascout

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    I personally think that it is hard to comment on a gun meaningfully that you have not shot extensively. 500+ round IMHO is just a start.

    You can comment on fit and finish cosmetics etc... but not so much on the actual function and performance that is why I did not comment on brands like Wilson, SA Pro or ED Brown. My few hundred rounds down the pipe on these guns really would not give you or anyone else too much insight beyond they looked and felt good. LOL
     
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    Why reluctantly?
     
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    I suspect 9mmepiphany assumes it will be a much bigger can of worms. A lot more people will meet the minimum criteria. I also think that the variance in the product at this price point can change drastically from one gun to the next.
     
  19. cyclopsshooter

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    Good points... probably should have thought about it a little :p Yeah, it'll be a zoo. (Still fun though)
     
  20. MCMXI

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    I own (and regularly shoot) three Ed Brown Special Forces, a Dan Wesson Valor and Dan Wesson V-Bob. I've shot a friend's Wilson Combat CQB.
     
  21. Robbins290

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    What about sig 1911's?
     
  22. 56hawk

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    I have four STIs. Guess they aren't high end enough to make the list. Never shot any of the guns on the list though.
     
  23. cyclopsshooter

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    Sigs and STIs are not quite top tier like the pistols listed (granted they have some very nice editions that get quite a treatment before leaving the factory) Colt is a notch below as well, I own a number and have had many new ones in and out of my display case. Finding a near perfect one is nearly impossible. One in ten MIGHT be something really special. They are all good guns mechanically, and have a reputation for out of the box reliability but they often have small blemishes or less than stellar trigger pulls in the 1991 series and in the XSE line. There are also metallurgical differences and gunsmith fitting times... Good builders cost money, they are practically artists.
     
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  24. 9mmepiphany

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    Production, yes; Highend Production...not quite. It was hard to even come up with seven (7) choices

    The SIG 1911s would be in the mid-range like the S&W and Dan Wesson regular line.
     
  25. 56hawk

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    Interesting. They are in the same price range as the listed guns. Well at least I get 26 round magazines. :neener:
     
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