Permanently mounted supressor to meet the 16" barrel length rule?

[johnny_boy]

I know people install permanently mounted flash hiders/muzzle brake to meet the 16" barrel length requirement.

But can you do the similar thing with a supressor? (assuming you have tax stamp for the suppresor and the ownership of that was legal)

Just wondering.

 

[John Parker]

But can you do the similar thing with a supressor? (assuming you have tax stamp for the suppresor and the ownership of that was legal)

I guess that would save you from having to pay the $200 stamp twice for the same gun?

 

[P.B.Walsh]

So would this be like a "interaglly suppresed" rifle?

 

[627PCFan]

I believe the barrel is the barrel, flash hiders/brakes and suppressors are accessories. Since they dont act on a bullet the same way a barrel does, they arent considered part of the barrel.

 

[Jim Watson]

I don't know the letter of the law but I follow your logic.
On the gripping hand, if I were the bureaucrat involved, I would play it safe by making you pay for and paper both a SBR and the silencer.

 

[Sam1911]

I believe the barrel is the barrel, flash hiders/brakes and suppressors are accessories. Since they dont act on a bullet the same way a barrel does, they arent considered part of the barrel.

Not so. In fact there are several common models of "evil black rifles" that are sold with permanently attached flash hiders to avoid the SBR issue.

AR-15s with M-4 style barrels (14.5") often have flash hiders permanantly attached to bring the overall length of the barrel up past 16" so they can be sold as a Title I rifle to civilians.

In the AK world, Hungarian AMD-65s have the same problem. If you buy an AMD-65 (Title I, not SBR) it will either have a longer US-made barrel or a permanantly attached flash hider.

-Sam

 

[AK103K]

There were MP5SD conversions done back in the 80's that had the tube welded to the gun and it was transferred with one stamp. I dont see why it couldnt be done with a SBR, unless the rules have changed in some way.

As far as the flash hider/brake thing, I have an AK that has a 14" barrel and a welded on brake that makes it the correct length. My buddy also has one of the early XM177 copies that has the 11" barrel with the 5" flash suppressor/fake suppressor pinned and welded on. As long as the "accessory" is permanently attached, its considered to be part of the barrel and counted in the length when measured.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I believe the barrel is the barrel, flash hiders/brakes and suppressors are accessories. Since they dont act on a bullet the same way a barrel does, they arent considered part of the barrel.

Nope. Long flash hiders to extend overall barrel length are very common and quite legal. The gotcha is they have to be "permanently attached" and the ATF has some writings out there on what they consider permanent.

 

[jerkface11]

Finding a suppressor that can be permanently attached by ATF rules may be difficult.

 

[Ranb]

A silencer permanently attached to the barrel is part of the barrel for legal reasons. Permanently attached means it is welded to the barrel, blind pinned (weld over pin holding it in place), or attached with high temp (1200 F) solder. http://www.srtarms.com/ makes an integral silencer for the 10/22. It can be had with a removable can or permanently attached. They are easy to find. Google search results (10/22 integrally suppressed); first page.

Ranb

 

[HardShell]

Yep -- I considered doing this myself since we can have suppressors but SBRs are prohibited, and I looked into it a year or so back.

9mm AR uppers built in this fashion are fairly common, but 5.56mm ones are usually custom jobs.

(I ended up going with a QD AR suppressor for now, but I haven't completely written off this idea...)

 

[GunTech]

If the overall length of the barrel from breach to 'muzzle' is 16 inches you are GTG. I've built a couple of short barreled suppressed rifles and got around the double tax by permanently affixing the the suppressor tube to the barrel, so that the baffle stack could be unscrewed and removed. It must be mounted in a permanent fashion like a blind pin or high temp silver solder.

 

[ramis]

Here's one way to get around the SBR tax stamp.(for a ruger 10/22)

http://www.tacticalsol.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=36&idproduct=982

 

[johnny_boy]

BTW, this is not about saving $200 stamp for SBR. Many states prohibit SBRs, including mine, and you can't just go across the state line with an SBR without notifying BATFE every time.

Suppresor does not have that same restrcition.

Hence not making it an SBR has a value, even if that means permantely attaching a suppresor.

Anyway I am just thinking out loud. I have not plan to do that, at least not now.

 

[Ranb]

I will permanently attach silencers to a few of my rifles to evade the SBR ban in WA if they ever make silencer legal to use. Silencers are legal to make and own, but a gross misdemeanor is used on a firearm here.

Ranb