Same exact thing happened to friends of mine who bought PF-9's. Me, I decided to go with the Taurus Slim and couldn't be happier. Three of my friends all bought the PF-9 and have since either traded it, or sold it for a loss. Two of them now own Slims. Another common problem with PF-9s are magazine issues, either they fall out after three shots or they cause feeding problems.
PF-9 did me wrong, Failure to Extract with pics, need guidance!
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Have you checked the EJECTOR?
I had a Kel-Tec P-11 that did the same thing as your PF9 and the ejector had broken. The extractor would extract the case like a good dog but there was no ejector to throw it clear, so the slide proceded to try to load the empty case that the extractor was holding onto.
Take an empty case or snap cap and feed it into the chamber from the magazine then slowly pull the slide back and see if the extractor pulls it out and if so does it impact on the ejector?
I had a Kel-Tec P-11 that did the same thing as your PF9 and the ejector had broken. The extractor would extract the case like a good dog but there was no ejector to throw it clear, so the slide proceded to try to load the empty case that the extractor was holding onto.
Take an empty case or snap cap and feed it into the chamber from the magazine then slowly pull the slide back and see if the extractor pulls it out and if so does it impact on the ejector?
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Agreed, and thankfully, most of mine have. Most impressive out of the box was my Glock 27. It didn't come with garbage inside of it like my Taurus. It didn't come bone dry like my Sig 226. It beautiful and shiny inside, with dabs of grease on the right spots. It was ready to shoot right out of the box.
My PT-709 Slim is everything I wanted my PF-9 to be, and then some. Love it.
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i can't disagree. my glock came lubed and ready to go.
Confederate
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You can ask the folks who sold you the gun to let you swap out the barrel with that of another gun of the same make and model -- thus avoiding the hassle of paperwork.
I would really doubt it's the magazines or limp wristing. (I think all guns should fire reliably, even if limp wristed. If someone's injured in a firefight they may not have full control over the muscles in their arm and hand, and if a gun jams when limp wristed, it's no good in my opinion).
My 659 S&W fires all the time, even when limp wristed. (So do my revolvers!)
I would really doubt it's the magazines or limp wristing. (I think all guns should fire reliably, even if limp wristed. If someone's injured in a firefight they may not have full control over the muscles in their arm and hand, and if a gun jams when limp wristed, it's no good in my opinion).
My 659 S&W fires all the time, even when limp wristed. (So do my revolvers!)
huntsman
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I don't own one but if you want plastic why not buy the king of plastic, at least that's the advice I gave my kid.
SwampWolf
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Very true, Confederate.
And who in the world believes it's ok to require a buyer to have to "fluff and buff" a new pistol out of the box or, for that matter, to have to fire 500 or so "break-in" rounds downrange just to get it to work the way it's supposed to? I'm sorry but to me that's called enabling. As long as customers continue to make excuses for companies guilty of shoddy workmanship, they have only themselves to blame when it becomes necessary to break out the Dremel and some files and sandpaper to tweak their brandwashed pistol of choice into submission. As others have noted, there is no shortage of firearm makers that produce products that work from the git-go; yep, "right out of the box."
The best customer service is to make a product that doesn't need servicing in the first place.
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Shadow 7D
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Listen I like to tinker, and have been looking for a PF-9, I wish I could find one of those sold for a loss, if it's like any of the other ones I have, I get to take it apart, get free goodies and put it back together after I refinish it (a hobby
) and have another nice gun.
Listen I like to tinker, and have been looking for a PF-9, I wish I could find one of those sold for a loss, if it's like any of the other ones I have, I get to take it apart, get free goodies and put it back together after I refinish it (a hobby
) and have another nice gun.I say get rid of it. Yes the company has excellant customer service but they have to or else they would have no more customers. Get yourself something nice that's ready to go out of the box. If your LE go for a glock at a liscensed le dealer. I picked up my g21 for 464 out the door. Just my .02
Double Naught Spy
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LOL, the NIB gun does not work. He even went to the trouble of buying another mag. You say he will have to go the the trouble of shipping it to Kel Tec. Yeah, there is a headache.
Lonestar49
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And, what is your Pro bono lawyer friend gonna do.. ?
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First and foremost - rule out limpwristing. Get a ransom rest if you can and shoot from that. Otherwise, shoot from sandbags.
If it is still failing to eject, send it back to the factory or take a 2 hour drive South - call first, though.
If it is still failing to eject, send it back to the factory or take a 2 hour drive South - call first, though.
I am not sure if anyone mentioned this yet but make sure the extractor screw is tight. Use blue locktite to ensure it does not back out again if it was loose. I had a similar problem. Also smoothe out the hammer interface on the slide. Mine had some lumps on it that i felt were adding friction. Lubrication is also very important on this gun. I say all of these things from experience. I bought a Kahr PM9 and have been quite happy after recovering from the shock to my wallet.
You should also go to the Kel Tec forum. There's a procedure they call fluff and buff. My PF-9 had the most horrible machining marks on any gun I have seen. However I did the fluff and buff and my gun is completely reliable with ball ammo including my reloads. I've yet to find hp ammo at a reasonable price so I don't know how it would do.
If you're mechanically inclined you will see when you take it apart how much work should be done at least imo. It takes a couple of hours to do but if you're depending on that gun I would say it must be done. Pieces of 400 and 600 sandpaper plus a Dremel is what is needed. With the sandpaper you can go finer but even with the 600 you're fine. As far as I am concerned the gun is sold "unfinished" and the owner needs to do it. For the money and your time I still think it is a good deal.
If you're mechanically inclined you will see when you take it apart how much work should be done at least imo. It takes a couple of hours to do but if you're depending on that gun I would say it must be done. Pieces of 400 and 600 sandpaper plus a Dremel is what is needed. With the sandpaper you can go finer but even with the 600 you're fine. As far as I am concerned the gun is sold "unfinished" and the owner needs to do it. For the money and your time I still think it is a good deal.
huntsman
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After you're done submit your hours to Kel-tec, they should cut you a check just as they would any other employee.
FruitCake
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I would get rid of it. I have bought 2 Keltecs and had problems to extract with both of them. If a gun gives you problems out of the box to me that is completely unnaceptable in my opinion. Keltecs customer service is great but their Quality control department is Garbage. Seems to me that to many people settle for these kind of out of the box problems and they should not. If a manufacturer can't sell me a NEW gun that doesn't work correctly I have ABSOLUTELY NO interest in spending my hard earned money on it. I REFUSE to settle for new guns that don't work properly.
Well I too have issues with guns that have problems right out of the box but.....
I sent my PF9 in because the magazine would fall out from recoil. They sent an e-mail stating it would be 6-8 week. After 2-weeks I called and said send me the gun immediately (without repairing it if necessary) so I can sell/trade it for something that works. I had it back in three days, repaired, cleaned and lubed. Since then I have really grown to love the little thing and trust it more than my PM40. It stings a bit to shoot but what can you expect. It's light and slim, hides nicely with only a belt clip if you're into the minimalist approach. Obviously the OP bought it for a reason (hopefully not just the price) so why not get it running, ensure it's dependability and then use it for it's intended purpose. IMHO
I sent my PF9 in because the magazine would fall out from recoil. They sent an e-mail stating it would be 6-8 week. After 2-weeks I called and said send me the gun immediately (without repairing it if necessary) so I can sell/trade it for something that works. I had it back in three days, repaired, cleaned and lubed. Since then I have really grown to love the little thing and trust it more than my PM40. It stings a bit to shoot but what can you expect. It's light and slim, hides nicely with only a belt clip if you're into the minimalist approach. Obviously the OP bought it for a reason (hopefully not just the price) so why not get it running, ensure it's dependability and then use it for it's intended purpose. IMHO
Kitchen_Duty
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I also had one that had issues with feeding/ejecting. I'm kinda weak minded when it comes to that kinda stuff so I traded it to a gun shop. Figured my 642 was just as reliable and "hi capacity" as I needed for summer carry.
pockets
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Haven't had a problem with any of my Kel-Tec pistols out of the box, including the PF-9.
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LATE UPDATE FOR THOSE INTERESTED:
Believing the barrel chamber was the culprit, I polished it in detail, as directed in the fluff and buff faq on KTOG. I then test fired an assortment of 115gr, 124gr and 147gr cartridges. (100 rds total) Results were, The FTE problem successfully disappeared. 3 out of the 10 WWB 147gr JHP did fail to load though.
CONCLUSION:
Although happy that I alleviated the FTE problem, I decided to sell the pistol at a reasonable loss.
The reason being is that I already own a P-11, and the pf-9 was not "significantly" easier to carry. Not to mention, I have the utmost trust in my P-11 as it has functioned flawlessly out of the box with nearly 1000rds of every type of 9mm ammo fired through it.
Believing the barrel chamber was the culprit, I polished it in detail, as directed in the fluff and buff faq on KTOG. I then test fired an assortment of 115gr, 124gr and 147gr cartridges. (100 rds total) Results were, The FTE problem successfully disappeared. 3 out of the 10 WWB 147gr JHP did fail to load though.
CONCLUSION:
Although happy that I alleviated the FTE problem, I decided to sell the pistol at a reasonable loss.
The reason being is that I already own a P-11, and the pf-9 was not "significantly" easier to carry. Not to mention, I have the utmost trust in my P-11 as it has functioned flawlessly out of the box with nearly 1000rds of every type of 9mm ammo fired through it.
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