Phillipines to arm citizens
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Combatantr2
The only "checks and balances" needed are of a moral nature. Murder, armed robbery etc are already crimes - those individuals that literally do not know what these are can be guided by simple moral compass. Those that run afoul of this can expect - if police agencies and the judiciary do their job - to be severely punished.
If bureaucratic "check and balances" on the general populace actually worked the United Kingdom would not have a serious growing crime problem. Take "checks and balances" to their absolute extreme; it's called a high security prison. Yet even in high security prisons there are commonly murders, rapes, other serious assaults and offenses.
Peru, nor it's people, are not unique. Human nature is universally the same the world over; the reasons people do bad things, or restrain themselves, are likewise universally the same.
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This is not about policing; this is about the populace being free from the oppression of thugs at large. Police agencies are generally an investigative and custodial arm of the government. They generally arrive after a crime has been committed, and do not prevent things like murder and armed robbery. Thugs are deterred if there is a direct likely consequence during the commission of a crime, and those of a more covert naure by the consequences in a courtroom and prison.
The only "checks and balances" needed are of a moral nature. Murder, armed robbery etc are already crimes - those individuals that literally do not know what these are can be guided by simple moral compass. Those that run afoul of this can expect - if police agencies and the judiciary do their job - to be severely punished.
If bureaucratic "check and balances" on the general populace actually worked the United Kingdom would not have a serious growing crime problem. Take "checks and balances" to their absolute extreme; it's called a high security prison. Yet even in high security prisons there are commonly murders, rapes, other serious assaults and offenses.
Peru, nor it's people, are not unique. Human nature is universally the same the world over; the reasons people do bad things, or restrain themselves, are likewise universally the same.
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lazaro
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Sherwin,
As far as I know almost all M16 type weapons avaialable in the Phil have selective fire capabilities, 3 round burst and full auto. Some models have a semi, burst and full depending on the manufacturer and how much you can afford. But I'm telling you now, if you don't have money and "connections" you'll have a difficult time obtaining one. That is why if ever the Filipino guys would come to the level of america's gun literacy (spell check) it will still be hard to obtain a firearm. Imagine a 9mm Glock selling at 50k pesos? That my friend is almost equivalent to a one year income of a minimum wage earner. No wonder all I can afford when I was there was a 22 cal air gun made locally.
As far as I know almost all M16 type weapons avaialable in the Phil have selective fire capabilities, 3 round burst and full auto. Some models have a semi, burst and full depending on the manufacturer and how much you can afford. But I'm telling you now, if you don't have money and "connections" you'll have a difficult time obtaining one. That is why if ever the Filipino guys would come to the level of america's gun literacy (spell check) it will still be hard to obtain a firearm. Imagine a 9mm Glock selling at 50k pesos? That my friend is almost equivalent to a one year income of a minimum wage earner. No wonder all I can afford when I was there was a 22 cal air gun made locally.
Full Auto?
Even if you have money and connections, if you are a civilian, I do not believe you can legally license a full auto weapon. Illigally? easy as long as nobody know you have one, otherwise you will be getting a visit from the military.
Even if you have money and connections, if you are a civilian, I do not believe you can legally license a full auto weapon. Illigally? easy as long as nobody know you have one, otherwise you will be getting a visit from the military.
vmfrantz
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The best way to stop crime is a tall tree and a short rope. Public executions would stop alot of the crime in all areas. They should put some on pay per view. 
Some cultures never progressed to the level of the founding fathers of America and do not do as well with such freedoms. So in the short term weapons proliferation can cause increased problems, of course if spread throughout the majority of the populace and if not outlawed later the hotheads kill themselves off, or are executed (kinda like a selective breeding that creates less impulsive more passive people, but too passive also get victimized and killed off, leaving you with a very stable middleground).
You end up with a stable well armed population that is very difficult for extremists(muslim squaters) without public support to conquer. But to get there requires civil unrest often as conflict becomes armed and must be brought to a conclusion before further progress, and creation of a less ego based culture with the right of the firearm protected past what government deems necessary. Otherwise you have to undergo painful rearming problems when you have decades of disarmament.
In america we already had the wars, they were the fighting with the natives, the revolutionary war, and the 'civil' war(how populations figure out where they stand and what they believe in) or struggle all without disarmament in between. (Otherwise the biggest toughest group outlaws others rights to pose a threat). So American maturity with firearms did not faulter leading to problems when reintroduced (since they were never taken) until much of the population became urbanized and grew up in sub cultures where gun maturity or proper outlets of gun use were not taught. Which is where the anti gun groups stem from.
You end up with a stable well armed population that is very difficult for extremists(muslim squaters) without public support to conquer. But to get there requires civil unrest often as conflict becomes armed and must be brought to a conclusion before further progress, and creation of a less ego based culture with the right of the firearm protected past what government deems necessary. Otherwise you have to undergo painful rearming problems when you have decades of disarmament.
In america we already had the wars, they were the fighting with the natives, the revolutionary war, and the 'civil' war(how populations figure out where they stand and what they believe in) or struggle all without disarmament in between. (Otherwise the biggest toughest group outlaws others rights to pose a threat). So American maturity with firearms did not faulter leading to problems when reintroduced (since they were never taken) until much of the population became urbanized and grew up in sub cultures where gun maturity or proper outlets of gun use were not taught. Which is where the anti gun groups stem from.
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enikkor
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Additional opinion.
I'm half Filipino ,and half Spaniard! Have lived about 3 years in the Philippines,
and 10 years in Spain, and most of my life in US.
Giving citizen guns is one thing, training on the proper use and proper
controlled practice are different issues. Filipinos are very good and docile
people and they are smart and easy to adapt. The problem is the economic
situation there is so poor now, that enough practice may not be available
to most of the public. In Spain, as I recall growing up, guns are only for
hunting, and I haven't heard anybody doing recreational shooting unless
you belong to the Olympic team. In America, we can afford to have as
many guns we like. I think giving guns freely and not training people is
very dangerous.
I'm half Filipino ,and half Spaniard! Have lived about 3 years in the Philippines,
and 10 years in Spain, and most of my life in US.
Giving citizen guns is one thing, training on the proper use and proper
controlled practice are different issues. Filipinos are very good and docile
people and they are smart and easy to adapt. The problem is the economic
situation there is so poor now, that enough practice may not be available
to most of the public. In Spain, as I recall growing up, guns are only for
hunting, and I haven't heard anybody doing recreational shooting unless
you belong to the Olympic team. In America, we can afford to have as
many guns we like. I think giving guns freely and not training people is
very dangerous.
SnWnMe
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This reminds me of the old CHDF (Civil Home Defense Force) in the Marcos days. All this will do is create a armed para LEO/military group that will shortly be a new source of corruption and perpetrator of abuse that will also end up serving the local politicians and warlords as their private armies.
Arming only a select few leads to many undesirable things as we all already know. Arm them ALL and the power of the goon with the gun diminishes.
Arming only a select few leads to many undesirable things as we all already know. Arm them ALL and the power of the goon with the gun diminishes.
The thing is when all citizens are armed tyrants whether government or anti government guerrillas cannot quickly and immediately oppress on a large scale. They must first identify (if not already done through registration or documented training requirements) those armed. This is easily done by assuring owners they won't lose the firearm if they comply with letting you know they have them.
They then have to systematicly convince the people they don't need them and that those that have them are bad. Eventualy you can pave the way for conquest regardless of the ex owners beliefs because only a small percent will at that point pose any resistance.
Depending on how entrenched the society is in thier weapons determines how quickly you can achieve this. Making 'criminals' unable to have firearms is also very useful in that a government determines who a criminal is and thus can choose who it disarms. The process is still slow and means a well armed country changes domestic policies more slowly.
So when those firmly in power want to make rapid changes they feel the need to disarm. But when a government wants changes to be more difficult(like foreign takeover or cultural domination) or feels unstable encouraging widespread arming accomplishes slowing thier deterioation as well.
People as a whole resists widespread rapid change. So any nation that has a good thing going benefits from every citizens being armed.
They then have to systematicly convince the people they don't need them and that those that have them are bad. Eventualy you can pave the way for conquest regardless of the ex owners beliefs because only a small percent will at that point pose any resistance.
Depending on how entrenched the society is in thier weapons determines how quickly you can achieve this. Making 'criminals' unable to have firearms is also very useful in that a government determines who a criminal is and thus can choose who it disarms. The process is still slow and means a well armed country changes domestic policies more slowly.
So when those firmly in power want to make rapid changes they feel the need to disarm. But when a government wants changes to be more difficult(like foreign takeover or cultural domination) or feels unstable encouraging widespread arming accomplishes slowing thier deterioation as well.
People as a whole resists widespread rapid change. So any nation that has a good thing going benefits from every citizens being armed.
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